greenheatman Posted May 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 There are no mobile generators so the answer is none. There are however free to roam wave energy converter ships seeking out the best waves in the North Atlantic which are driven by 'green steam' I think you missed the point, ships need fuel, how much fuel? I have answered this point - see above! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenheatman Posted May 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 I do not need to provide back up because it is already built in to the proposed system. Steam driven ships supplied by the infinite energy from the waves in which it is sitting will never run out of steam. Batteries will not be included. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulb Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 your boat is not going to get built unless it has a backup system in it. Were are you calculations on cost impact etc. Why is your system so much better than a mix of wind and tidal feeding into storage heaters. we are doing that now so why is your system so big an improvement. you show calculations for other things so give us some for your system. Again were is your small scale proto type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenheatman Posted May 18, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 18, 2009 The Green HeaTree sounds interesting. Some questions, if you don't mind.How sturdy and inexpensive is it, and what is its storage media? I'm interested to know about vortices, and its structural effects when attatched to a house. Is it noisy? How easy is it to install? How cheap to reproduce? Let us not start bickering here, guys, this is a good thread! It looks like a conifer tree from a distance but it is a vertical axis wind turbine that charges a bank of batteries - an inverter converts this to 220 - 240VAC. Simultaneously, the wind energy is converted to heat and stored in an underground thermal store at the bottom of your garden. It is as easy as digging a big hole and dropping it in. In a trench leading to the house you will have an armoured cable and flow and return pipework for space and hot water and Bob's your uncle. The same thermal properties apply as per a previous post although the enthalpy will be lower and the thermal swing reduced to, say, +/-40C the GreenHeaTree will still supply all the heat and electricity you need on Shetland for up to 8 days in the unlikely event that a anticyclone sits atop of Shetland for over a week. I could take orders I suppose if enough people showed an interest, but the first few built will be expensive (perhaps up to £5,000) until economies of scale kick in. On the plus side, your electricity and heating bills will drop to zero for ever more! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malachy Posted May 18, 2009 Report Share Posted May 18, 2009 I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for sensible responses from GHM, Shetlandpeat. He turns up every so often with some new idea, making wild, unsubstantiated claims, refusing to answer difficult questions, posting ridiculous, meaningless graphs, and getting angry at anyone who fails to unquestionably accept his theories. Hence the reason most folk are simply ignoring him this time round. It's hardly surprising that none of his ideas have ever got anywhere. Even if they were scientifically workable, we would never find out because, rather than attempting to put them into practice, he just writes about them on internet forums, trying to convince people of his unappreciated genius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenheatman Posted May 18, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 18, 2009 It's hardly surprising that none of his ideas have ever got anywhere. Even if they were scientifically workable, we would never find out because, rather than attempting to put them into practice, he just writes about them on internet forums, trying to convince people of his unappreciated genius. I received this letter in response to my idea of using just 17 Spring tides in the Severn Estuary to provide Aberthaw B coal power station with an alternative heat source. You will note that the "feedback" related to the quality of my application ie lack of schematics not my invention. That is why I am getting nowhere - projects regardless of how pathetic and puny they are will ALWAYS get funding provided you supply "schematics." It is easy to dismiss my ideas when you electricity supply is continuous and through your sockets courtesy of coal, gas and nuclear. Imagine a world with none of these. We would have to wait for the wind to blow or the tide to turn before we could get our electricity assuming that they can get wind and marine turbines to start generating onto a dead grid. DECC – STP Temple Quay House 2 The Square BRISTOL BS1 6PN Tel. 0117 372 6023 15 May 2008 Mr Andrew MackayGreenheat Systems LimitedCausewaysideGlenaldieTAINRoss-ShireIV19 1NE Dear Mr Mackay Severn Tidal Power – Embryonic Technologies Scheme (SETS) Thank you for the proposal you submitted in response to the Severn Tidal Power – Embryonic Technologies Scheme launched on 2 April 2009 by Mike O’Brien and Jane Davidson. The SETS Programme Board have reviewed the material you provided and assessed it against the criteria outlined in the SETS Guidance Note. I regret to inform you that we will not be able to provide funding under this scheme to help you develop your ideas further. Specific feedback from the Board that you may find useful for the future are recoded in the box below •The board were interested to read your proposal, particularly regarding energy storage. However the lack of schematics and supporting data (particularly regarding economics of the scheme and environmental impact) meant that there was high risk of it not progressing to outline design stage within the timescale of the STP Feasibility study. I have enclosed a document ‘UK Support for New Energy Technologies’, which you may find useful in seeking alternative sources of funding. On behalf of the SETS Programme Board we wish you every success for the future in pursuit of your endeavours. Yours sincerely David RobertsFor and on behalf of the SETS Programme Board Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulb Posted May 18, 2009 Report Share Posted May 18, 2009 that just what we have been asking. by the way whats the patent number tried to look it up but could not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeeAyBee Posted May 18, 2009 Report Share Posted May 18, 2009 No one is going to take you seriously unless you develop your ideas beyond the conceptual phase. The schematics or a prototype are required for anyone to commit resources or money to realise your ideas. As rejection letters go, that one was quite supportive and understanding. There's no denying that you're quite smart, but you seem to be failing to grasp that you can't sell something that doesn't exist in anything other than concept. I hope you find an engineer that can take you ideas and build you a model that you can demonstrate - then selling your ideas won't be a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenheatman Posted May 18, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 18, 2009 No one is going to take you seriously unless you develop your ideas beyond the conceptual phase. The schematics or a prototype are required for anyone to commit resources or money to realise your ideas. As rejection letters go, that one was quite supportive and understanding. There's no denying that you're quite smart, but you seem to be failing to grasp that you can't sell something that doesn't exist in anything other than concept. I hope you find an engineer that can take you ideas and build you a model that you can demonstrate - then selling your ideas won't be a problem. As rejection letters go this one is about as crass as you can get. They put out a call for ebryonic technologies and seem to be more interested in the quality of the application rather than the invention itself. The key word is embryonic so why are they not prepared to let it grow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenheatman Posted May 18, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 18, 2009 By the way I will be at the All Energy 2009 show in Aberdeen Wed & Thurs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjeunson Posted May 18, 2009 Report Share Posted May 18, 2009 As rejection letters go this one is about as crass as you can get. They put out a call for ebryonic technologies and seem to be more interested in the quality of the application rather than the invention itself. The key word is embryonic so why are they not prepared to let it grow? It doesn't take much time to knock up a few sketches on a CAD programme to illustrate your ideas better. Costings will be a bit more of an issue but i'm sure you could call up some people who could give you indicative figure for pressure vessels, insulation etc etc. These people aren't there to throw money at anybody who might claim to have an idea. They're there to judge the quality of the idea which can only be seen if suitable data/drawings are provided. What did you do at Napier? Surely it was pointed out at the time that you have to supply these sorts of things for any engineering project. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenheatman Posted May 18, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 18, 2009 As rejection letters go this one is about as crass as you can get. They put out a call for ebryonic technologies and seem to be more interested in the quality of the application rather than the invention itself. The key word is embryonic so why are they not prepared to let it grow? The whole point of their call was for embryonic ideas but what will happen is that old non-embryonic ideas, with suitable schematics, will get the cash instead. There are plenty of schemes for developed (old hat) ideas from other calls. Here is the only one seeking truly embryonic ideas so it would be a travesty if the money went to the usual suspects. Of course, it is a nice safe option to back existing technologies and these anonomous assessors need to feed their kids too. They will never in a million years adopt a brand new invention because it is a walk into the unknown. The reasons for rejection is just flim flam designed to hide the fact that they do not understand any of the new concepts included in my application like Variable High Voltage DC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepshagger Posted May 18, 2009 Report Share Posted May 18, 2009 your boat is not going to get built unless it has a backup system in it. surely not pb this would mean no single engine single screw ships would be built. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArabiaTerra Posted May 18, 2009 Report Share Posted May 18, 2009 your boat is not going to get built unless it has a backup system in it. surely not pb this would mean no single engine single screw ships would be built.Like the Brear, for instance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuckleJoannie Posted May 18, 2009 Report Share Posted May 18, 2009 I heard about this on the news today.Servers at Sea: Google Ships Could Soon Set Sail A Google patent application filed two years ago but published this fall is getting some new attention because it's just too interesting to ignore. The patent is for putting data centers on ships at sea and harvesting the energy in waves for power. You can see the patent here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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