Pig flu and Shetland

[Michael]

If you would go down south otherwise, with all the other potential maladies out there then you should go. Swine flu will come here at some point, and as has been said numerous times - it wont be much worse than normal flu.

[shetlandpeat]

I think you need to follow the advice given, which is, common sense and should be learnt by all (cannot stand folk spitting in the street).

 

As long as you are healthy, you should be fine, If in doubt, check with health centre, I am only qualified in common sense...

 

There is no need to let it control your life to such a degree...

[unlinkedstudent]

If you would go down south otherwise, with all the other potential maladies out there then you should go. Swine flu will come here at some point, and as has been said numerous times - it wont be much worse than normal flu.

 

Having recently escaped East London, I wonder how many people realise that they are probably more at risk from catching TB in London (and by that I mean the type that is getting more resistant to anti-biotics) - East London has one the highest rates, if not the highest in England of TB. How I managed to avoid it for all those years with the amount of people gobbing on the pavement, I have yet to figure out ...

[Pooks]

It does worry me to see the panic over Swine Flu. Your common garden flu is known to kill more people each year than the swine flu has attempted to do globally for the past few months.

 

Swine Flu is a virus. It is not a nice virus. If you catch it you will feel like poo poo. If you are vulnerable you could die. If you are vulnerable you could die from many things.

 

Another lovely fact is that many people probably carry the swine flu virus without realising it. They are capable of passing it on without any affects.

 

I have a funny feeling that I have been here before.

 

Chances of being hit by a bus - slim.

Chances of getting deadly swine flu - slimmer.

[paulb]

at the moment i would agree but this will change over time.

 

the reason TB is going wild is for a number of reasons. the first big one is that they have stopped blanket immunisation how this was wise i don't know.

 

the second is HIV this wee bug has helped some other nasty things gain an immunity to some of the drugs.

 

certain ethnic groups are know to be more likely to be carriers because of close contact with infected family members.

 

the homeless are very vulnerable, TB has always been the killer of the poor and malnourished.

 

the total lack of enforcing the drug therapy over 6 months. there are laws that can be used to insure that the person with the bug takes the drugs. but these are very rarely used.

 

the lack of isolation wards.

 

yes and spitting the people have no experience of what the old infections were like. my mum would tell tales of having to view her friends that had died from TB, scarlet fever and a number of other bugs.

 

all the old killers are still out there and they are gaining immunity to the drugs used that's why vaccination is so important.

[shetlandpeat]

which makes swine flu slimmer of the year...

 

Media hype has brought around this episode.

 

There is a bloke at work who spits and snorts snot everywhere..

 

Where he works can sometimes look like a load of beached jellyfish.

 

Mind, he drinks 12 cans of stella a night, smokes about 60 fags , looks like he weighs around 20+ stone and as active as a rock set in cement.

 

He is a prime candidate for spreading any sorta airborne bug, and if he catches any sorta flu, he would suffer, end eventually, us

[Michael]

With regards to TB, the vaccination isn't very effective at all. It only works for 70-80% of people which in terms of vaccinations is very ineffective. It's unlikely that someone without HIV or a bad diet or a particularly susceptible ethnicity will get it.

 

Isolation wards will do nothing for swine flu, more lethal infections and diseases are far easier to contain because a lot of the hosts will die quickly and be unable to pass it on, while with swine flu an awful lot of people wont even realise they have it and never will. There are far greater things to worry about!

[xoni]

Just thought id share the advice i was told by the doctor today ..had to go for my daughter to be seen and thought id ask get a professional opinion. Well she said that things have changed in regards to the numbers of people getting infected within the last week or so , they are fully expecting it here and fully expect to see a 1 in every 2 of us going down with it now.

 

I asked about the injection and when that would be ready , she said they were anticipating September time but it would likely only be issued to people with existing medical problems like asthma , diabetes , etc..., I had heard that children would be getting it first but apparently thats not the case.

 

Her overall view was however, yes travel because theres no way of avoiding it now and in its current form as long as your healthy to start with you'll be ok....still 1 in 2 isnt good is it in terms of people off of work etc.,

[shetlandpeat]

That can be worrying.

 

Though it does promote a more healthier lifestyle.

 

From what I have read, alot of folk did not know they had it but just had a bad cold.

 

As long as you have given your yunguns the best chance by giving them a healthy start in life, plenty of fruit and veg then you have done all you can do, and you too will benefit with the diet and sitting back knowing that your good..

 

It will be in waves me thinx, but, dont let it dictate your life as to travel.

 

It does no good to panic.....

 

 

Again, hygiene is key and a good lifestyle

 

 

Good luck

 

paet

[KOYAANISQATSI]

Same sh*t, different year.

The only difference this year, is how they have upped the anti on the ammount of fear they've installed in the heaving masses of stupid people.

 

2004:

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/asiapcf/01/21/birdflu.facts/

In severe cases, the flu is characterized by a sudden onset of severe illness, and rapid death, with a mortality that can approach 100 percent.

 

2005:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2005/oct/14/health.birdflu1

British scientists said the virus found in Turkish poultry was the H5N1 strain that health experts fear will mutate into a human disease that could kill millions of people worldwide.

 

2006:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-382589/Closing-schools-bird-flu-alert-save-50-000-lives.html

School closures may be necessary in areas affected by bird flu to prevent the deaths of 50,000 children from the disease, the chief medical officer has said.

The closure of all schools in an infected region could cut the possible death toll of 100,000 school-age children by half, according to Sir Liam Donaldson.

 

2007:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2007/feb/03/infectiousdiseases.birdflu

If it evolves to be easily transmissible between humans. An outbreak could claim 320,000 lives in Britain, according to a Home Office report. H5N1 evolves rapidly. If the virus infects someone carrying human influenza, the two viruses could produce a lethal strain infectious to humans.

 

2008:

http://www.albionmonitor.com/0810a/copyright/birdflurecession.html

A severe outbreak of flu could kill tens of millions of people and spur a "major global recession," the World Bank is warning world leaders preoccupied with financial, food, and fuel crises.

 

The bank has drawn up a worst-case scenario in which a flu pandemic could kill as many as 71 million people, cost some three trillion dollars, and cut global gross domestic product (GDP) by "almost 5 percent, constituting a major global recession."

 

Some experts have said the death toll could exceed 180 million people.

 

At least some other folk are paying attention to the numbers game; this from 2 months ago.

Population of Mexico: 100,000,000+

Cases of swine flu in Mexico: 1,000

= 1 in every 100,000 of the population.

 

UK visitors in Mexico since sppread of flu began : 25,000

Cases of swine flu in UK visitors returning from Mexico: 25

= 1 in every 1,000 of the travellers.

 

It seems you are 100 times as likely to catch swine flu if you are a tourist in Mexico, than if you are a native Mexican.

 

An elephant and a tiger were comparing notes with a pig and a chicken as to which of them was the most feared.

“I stamp my feet and all of the Serengeti trembles†said the elephant.

“I roar and the jungle cowers†said the tiger.

“Ah, that’s nothing,†said the pig & chicken “We sneeze and the world panicsâ€.

[paulb]

koy i think your missing the spin this time. listen to what the experts say. they are all calm and reassuring and claiming only the sick will get hit hard. this is pure spin about 1 in 10 to 1 in a 100 have end up in hospital.

 

the government along with others are trying to keep us calm. is only now being said that they expect 100,000 per day. just imagine if even a small fraction need hospital or even doctors help. funny they switch from daily report to weekly ones just as the numbers are shooting up. watch the southern hemisphere for how its going to spread this autumn.

 

if this bug follows is older relatives its second wave will be more harmful than the first.

 

onto who gets the vaccine the health workers have to get it first stands to reason if the doctors and nurses go down then the other groups are stuffed. there is a section on it in the health board planning. children i think come into group 3 followed by the rest of us "healthy adults" in group 4.

[KOYAANISQATSI]

koy i think your missing the spin this time. listen to what the experts say.

 

It's all spin to me. They'll tell you when you're supposed to panic and when you're meant to stay calm, according to their needs.

Just as long as there's enough fear left in you that you will poison your selves and your children with the vaccine when they tell you.

[paulb]

so you would have been against the smallpox vacine. how many millions have been saved by that one alone.

[KOYAANISQATSI]

Sure, sure; they got shot of small pox and only killed very few with the vaccination (not counting the AIDS they sneaked in with it

 

But this is not smallpox and willy nilly vaccination for every farty thing in blind Obedience to every news report, WHO statement, world bankers forecast or Glaxo Smith & Kline sales promo; with total faith in what your getting and its effects on you and yours is leaving you open to any scam they care to pull regardless of any negative effects connected.

Now I'm happy you think you have all your bases covered but all my base are not yours. As long as it remains voluntary, I couldn't care less if you vaccinate yourselves 3 times a day for every thing under the sun.

When it comes to forced vaccinations; I would rather stick the needle in the eye of the person who brings it near my kids than expose them to any needless risk for the sake of this crap that they're putting the Big Sell' on with at the moment.

[paulb]

have a look at the death rate for the pansy willy nilly bugs the kids have injections for. have you any idea what the death rate was for some of the bugs.

this is an American web site but this is reasonable death and permanent injury rates.

http://www.hhs.gov/nvpo/factsheets/fs_tableI_doc3.htm

 

which ones would you like to try first polio is a good one had a friend who's hand was totally useless because of it. remember most of these bugs are viruses so no cure. yes it is cost effective for the government to vaccinate because its cheaper than the intensive care that the victims need other wise.

 

there are case were the injections have side effects and even kill but nowhere near the death rate of the bug. ask a parent if the are happy to have there children vaccinated against hib.