sailor Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 I do wish people would not post comments on actions they think either of the parties have done. We have no proof mr shannon's post has been dealt with improperly other than a fairly one sided press campaign. We also have no proof over what was said between mr clark and mr wills over the phone. It does appear that this whole affair is tainted by what the press say. Now they are starting to state that nearly all allegations against clark have no substance legally, whether it be phone calls, drinking at work and it does appear mr shannon's post was discussed with councillors and an offer was made to shannon for his approval. An item left out from earlier reports. Sloppy reporting? Maybe. On the subject of drinking on SIC property. Where are christmas parties held? I could offer a guess that many of the posters here have drunk on SIC property at one time. We all moan about the SIC refusing to change and modernise but are we really willing to accept it? From reading this and other topics the answer has to be no for the majority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jude Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 Wills be may a lot of thing but I don't believe he'a a liar, he sticks firmly to his beliefs and isn't afraid to speak his mind.. I believe you speak for a lot, including SIC Councillors, and that is David Clark's big problem. It doesn't matter a jot now if the investigations don't turn up sufficient evidence.The public is the ultimate judge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveh Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 Is the Chief Executive currently working through a probationary period in his new job? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trout Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 @sailor It is amazing that which is 'leaked' to the papers Should one accept this at face value .. or should one look deeper into the spin it is creating? Is this/has this been the embodyment of what everyone has whinged about for long. 'A new broom' to use the phrase currently in place. Perhaps sweeping without having become fully embeded to satisfy the majority? Who knows? As indicated prior, 'change' is an experience - even larger in deep rooted organisations and interlinked closely with Kubler-Ross' interpretation and theory on the five stages of grief; that of disbelief, anger, negotiation, depression and finally acceptance. Could this debackle be moving into the third stage having come out of the second in spectacular fashion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infiltrator Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 that of disbelief, anger, negotiation, depression and finally acceptance. Trout, you seem to have posted the 5 stages of marriage from a male perspective by mistake. New brooms are fine as long as the person on the operating end knows what they're doing - surely this is the concern? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Para Handy Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 Incidentally, I am listening to an appropriate background track whilst typing this.......click the link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynjIoymWHvU Yip, Animal looks deceptively like Wills; and as Slatler & Woldrof ask 'just what is he?' I guess many a Shetlinker ask themselves the same question. Hopefully soon to be...."Jonathan...who? They fit the appearance of the two grumpy old men in the box Steno to a T But one video is worth 1000 words Wills+Clark in the oldfolks home Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trout Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 arf arf All I'm pointing out is that media is a fantastic tool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steno Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 That wasn't my intended interpretation.....but allow democracy (if it exists within the sharn of SIC) to call it a peerie draw? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuckleJoannie Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 On the subject of drinking on SIC property. Where are christmas parties held? I could offer a guess that many of the posters here have drunk on SIC property at one time. Drinking on SIC premises is only allowed with the permission of the management on special occasions, such as Xmas parties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steno Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 My final comment of the night YOU CANNOT POLISH A TURD The entire SIC (not just in recent history) is 'tainted' well beyond a mere surface wipe. Let a highly bristled brush scrape the sharn off the entire carcase that is SIC, let the smell die down, and the real work begin. The brown stuff has well and truly hit the fan. SIC Councillors are more than welcome to post their responses. Strange they are normally grabbing the microphones out of John Johnsons or Mike Grundens mouth to state their case; and the past week they are 'on holiday' or 'unable to comment'. Ah well, that makes a first. Like most councillors, they are as welcome as a fart in a space suit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marooned in Maywick Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 ^^^ You sure? http://www.guffsturdpolish.com/images/products/turdpolishSM.png Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostrider Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 On the subject of drinking on SIC property. Where are christmas parties held? I could offer a guess that many of the posters here have drunk on SIC property at one time. Drinking on SIC premises is only allowed with the permission of the management on special occasions, such as Xmas parties. Aye, and thats okay. On this occasion though it was the management himself was allegedly having a piss up, so maybe he gave himself permission to drink. He seems to be insinuating so anyway, by stating he'd taken the afternoon off. Its good Wills rattles cages and doesn't let anyone become complacent, skeleton rattling can only help in keeping down on mutual back scratching sessions et al, but with this one I think he's been a bit too hasty and mittened on to a rather dry bone thats going to end up being pretty tasteless and hard to chew. Nobody is going to walk away from this pointless fiasco and take any honour from it with them, its time for all concerned to gather up their respective scattered toys and put them back in their respective prams, get on with the jobs they're being paid for, and stop wasting everyone's time and money. Whats worrying me now is just what other "bad news" is being quickly and quietly buried behind the scenes, while this charade is drawing everyone's attention centre stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostrider Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 The entire SIC (not just in recent history) is 'tainted' well beyond a mere surface wipe. Let a highly bristled brush scrape the sharn off the entire carcase that is SIC, let the smell die down, and the real work begin. This I can agree with. There's been a crying out need for a good old wire brush and Dettol treatment session in certain chambers on the Hillhead for a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moorit Posted September 16, 2009 Report Share Posted September 16, 2009 Have just seen story on Shetland Times website saying police have dropped investigation. Sorry, don't know how to post a link! no according to this http://www.shetland-news.co.uk/2009/September/news/Shannon%20decision%20delayed%20by%20Clark%20probe.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulb Posted September 16, 2009 Report Share Posted September 16, 2009 The council has sought to limit public speculation into the whole affair, with senior management sending an email to all SIC employees yesterday warning them not to discuss the subject of their chief executive with members of the press. i know its common to gag employees and prevent them going outside their organization. but it can lead to worse mistakes being covered up. how can an employee if they had a complaint against one of the senior managers feel comfortable that the complaint will be handled fairly. Is there a whistle blowers charter in the sic as there is in the nhs. If there are problems within the council they need to be cleared up not hidden from the public. if someone did complain imagine what effect it could have on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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