British National Party

[JAStewart]

Firstly, I hate these scumbags. They are the face of human ignorance. BNP is the British National Party who are far-right racist neo-nazis (though they'll deny that for sure).

 

I'm actually worried about the rise in people willing to vote BNP rather than Labour. BNP is no option. Nick Griffin (leader) says in his manifesto that he would only allow Asylum seekers to sweep the streets, nothing else, and they he would segregate children in schools. Hasn't this expletive deleted ever heard of unity?

 

If the BNP had some say in Britian when im say, 30.. I could easily see me moving to a more intellegent country.

 

Things must be pretty bad before people are considering even thinking about voting the BNP.

[JustMe]

Well I agree with JAS......the so called British National Party seem to me to be a gang of racist thugs. However they also manage to prey on the fears of ordinary people with their warnings of the country being over run with immigrants and now the London bombings have given them a new rallying call.....get rid of these terrorists. I fear that a few people will be voting for them and I just hope they do not get even one council seat.

 

Just to expand on the topic could I just offer my thoughts about racism in Shetland. If the BNP are in the wrong then so is any Shetlander showing any form of discrimination against someone not of Shetland birth. Certainly there are those who preach discrimination against the English and I have heard reports that some taxi drivers get insulted because of their skin colour. Nothing excessive YET but something that must not be allowed to develop.

[JAStewart]

What the BNP fails to say is that only under 5% of immigrants actually MAKE IT to Britain and Britain is 10th in the immigrant per citizen in all european countries.

[Yowe]

Things must be pretty bad before people are considering even thinking about voting the BNP.

Unfortunately, I think you'll find that things are pretty bad. Not in Shetland or most of Scotland but England is getting a tad crowded. I agree with your views on the BNP and they are certainly not a solution to the problem but I reckon most people who are considering voting for the BNP are doing it not out of mindless racism but out of desperation to stop the flood of immigrants into England because the level of over crowding is not fair on anyone.

[JAStewart]

Things must be pretty bad before people are considering even thinking about voting the BNP.

Unfortunately, I think you'll find that things are pretty bad. Not in Shetland or most of Scotland but England is getting a tad crowded. I agree with your views on the BNP and they are certainly not a solution to the problem but I reckon most people who are considering voting for the BNP are doing it not out of mindless racism but out of desperation to stop the flood of immigrants into England because the level of over crowding is not fair on anyone.

 

 

It is mindless discrimination but the BNP uses immigration to claim it isn't racism.

[Njugle]

It is mindless discrimination but the BNP uses immigration to claim it isn't racism.

 

It is a highly complex issue, despite the racist associations. Nationalism could in essence be seen as upholding the good of ones nation, excluding all others. If unemployment is high, budgets are stretched, as is healthcare and housing short in availability, to see a government moving in economic migrants to fill jobs, houses, and budgets could be taken as detrimental to all involved.

 

None of that is racism. Racism is a word bandied around far too much when dealing with nationalist issues, like saying "English are racist against the Scottish" No, they are not, as far as i'm aware. Not separate races, just nations.

 

Is the SNP racist? Not outwardly. Nationalist? Yes.

 

Having said all that, i'm just being a pedant. A lot of the BNP members are indeed racist scum, hiding in a political sphere.

[Ghostrider]

What the BNP fails to say is that only under 5% of immigrants actually MAKE IT to Britain and Britain is 10th in the immigrant per citizen in all european countries.

 

G.B. plc however is already the fourth most densely populated EU nation, so it's easy to argue that in the interests of fairness, we should be 21st on the table of immigrant per citizen list. At 10th we would appear to already be doing far more than our fair share, so the rhetoric of the BNP (and others) on the subject is not entirely without foundation.

 

That said, the BNP take their alleged beliefs and philosophies to fanatical levels by most people's standards, and tend to do their "cause" more harm than good as a result.

[Styles]

I think people are thinking of voteing for the BNP because the other parties are not faceing up to problems that people have.

 

People should be able to have a debate without the word racist being bandied about all the time.

 

I myself wouldent vote for them as i think ythey are a bunch of idiots but i can see why people in city which have huge numbers of immigrants etc it would be an option to the indigiouse population.

[JustMe]

Styles wrote that they are a "bunch of idiots." Dangerous thought. Whatever the BNP are the word "idiot" is not one that would be safe to use when describing their leaders. Probably the same word was used from time to time about Herr Hitler......the little Austrian painter......and think where that led us.

[niceday]

One problem is that the Labour party, the traditional party of the poor white working class male voter has, it could be argued, more or less deserted them. Into the vacuum, particularly if and when the economy goes belly up comes extremist nationalism which can be associated with ugly racism.

 

Unfortunately, the supply of cheaper labour in places like China and Eastern Europe is going to continue to temp capital to shift there and this will only exacerbate the situation in the years to come.

[turrifield]

immigation is a very important part of most societies it helps to stop stagnation in culture and the gene pool. The UK has been populated by immigrants since the end of the last ice age and will continue to do so for a long time to come.

 

As for the BNP I think they are capitalizing on the falure of polliticians to deal with this problem in the eyes' of the population and also the scare mongering in the media helps their cause.

 

The fact is though without immigants life as we know it would not be possible. For example without the slaves who work in the food packing and production industry in this country food, particularly fresh food, would be much more expensive. We need these people but they should be treated with the respect has we all should expect.

[Styles]

I have never been that convinced by the "immigrant culture enrich society" arguement. I find it more damageing to existing cultures and an element of change not allways for the good.

[JAStewart]

I have never been that convinced by the "immigrant culture enrich society" arguement. I find it more damageing to existing cultures and an element of change not allways for the good.

 

Ok, here is one measly example of how immigrants benefit society:

 

Have you ever eaten in a chinese/indian/ethnic/other restaurant?

[Styles]

Diffrent methods of cooking food is one then, any others?

Thats the only one I can think of at the moment.

[Njugle]

Dare i say "Wha biggit dee?"

 

Where can you draw a line? Our population is made up of scandinavian/norse /dutch/celtic/anglo-saxon/roman/spanish blood, and that's without googling the subject. Or mentioning the picts, who seem to be the only long term fixture. Then if you dig a little deeper, the mysterious celts may have come from the middle east, the spaniards may well mix with north africa, all the mediterranean countries mix, the scandinavians runover into siberia, but with an input of the goth from northern europe, and anthropologists are pretty sure we all came out of africa in the first place!

 

So what is indigenous to our fair land? Not much, saat pilticks are no more 'ours' than chinese food. Our laws, our blood, our infrastructure and our money are all of other peoples doing.

 

"Society" is immigrant, to answer your question Styles.