Judane

[Styles]

If what Hodge says is true which it seems to be, it must be fraud?

[swc123]

If what Hodge says is true which it seems to be, it must be fraud?

 

If it proved to be correct, then there will be some very significant consequences for Cllr Miller and Judane.

[Para Handy]

Well after seeing this in the Shetland times

 

http://www.shetlandtimes.co.uk/2009/12/14/former-judane-tenant-hodge-flabbergasted-at-companys-deal-with-council

 

“He has also provided copies of receipts for rent payments totalling £21,530 which he made for the building between January and November 2007. They were paid to an account held by Caroline Miller as a sole trader of Northern Isles Knitwearâ€

 

When did the Judane become the property of Northern Isles Knitwear

And why are the council not seeking the money from them instead

 

I was just wondering how convenient that was and how many account books were being really kept in the Judane or is there just cookery books. I understood she had nothing to do with Judane

So why was the money being paid to her and not her partner. The whole fiasco now smells like an old haddock

 

Surly Caroline Miller’s job as a councillor is now open to question

[icepick239]

Re: Northern Isles Knitwear & Judane (Shetland) Limited

A lawyer is covered under the law, regarding Client Privilege.

I am not aware that an Accountant in Public Practice is similarly covered?

[MuckleJoannie]

Re: Northern Isles Knitwear & Judane (Shetland) Limited

A lawyer is covered under the law, regarding Client Privilege.

I am not aware that an Accountant in Public Practice is similarly covered?

 

An accountant will be covered where he is giving legal advice in areas where he is qualified to do so, eg tax. I came across this in a thread on an accountancy forum recently:

 

http://www.accountingweb.co.uk/anyanswers/legal-professional-privilege-does-apply-accountants-or-just-lawyers

 

The resident expert

In practice Proceeds of Crime Act privilege will typically be available to an accountant (if he is a 'relevant professional adviser') where he gives legal advice on a tax avoidance scheme or company reconstruction, where he gives legal advice to a client who 'confesses' to tax evasion and is wanting advice on how to 'come clean' to HMRC, and where he gives advice in relation to legal proceedings (such as a criminal prosecution or a civil court case). In these circumstances he will not be obliged to report what he knows to the authorities under s330 PoCA 2002 / MLR 2007.

 

Privilege is a complex area. Seek specialist advice if in doubt.

 

 

The thread only covers English Law but Scottish law is broadly similar. From this document, page 15

 

http://www.lexmundi.com/images/lexmundi/pdf/pg/2004ERM__buscr_Clark.pdf

 

Confidentiality in Scotland

• A more general approach than that adopted

in England

• The recent cases which have eroded the

concept of legal privilege in England may not

be slavishly followed in Scotland

• Differences between practice in England and

Scotland are legally permissible

[icepick239]

^ Complex alright and thanks.

There is no mention of 'Northern Isles Knitwear' in the Register of Members' Interests, dated 24th May, 2007.

Mr. Hodge states that the rent paid by him to Northern Isles Knitwear occurred within the period January to November, 2007.

[paulb]

again its a question that she has to answer. both the avoiding repayments and the not declaring the interest are things for the standards agency. how odd she takes an holiday just now. I'm sure that folks know the address.

 

why is a certain Dr not saying anything. i know that he has a dispute with her brother? but he seems so keen on other matters. very odd that the council is silent on this matter maybe there is things that they don't want to come out into the open.

[turningright]

the good doctor is not saying owt as he, unlike others do abide by the rules and has declared an interest, being his dispute with mr miller, when the matter is discussed in his role as councillor.

[paulb]

so its wrong to talk about possible criminal activity outside of the council. thats odd. are you sure its nowt to do with it being a fellow council member. if your a campaigner for the right way of doing things then he has to call for an external investigation.

 

a 2 million plus claim for compinsation. now if they were serious they must have great accountants for them to workout how a bust company can be worth that much.

 

if the council are running scared of them because of this claim then shame on them. i would rather the insurance company lost the 2 million than give them a penny. fight the case all the way to lawlords.

 

if the info is correct how can someone who is broke afford a holiday home.

when most folks are having a struggle to live at the moment it does not seem it effects everyone the same.

[icepick239]

There is no mention of 'Northern Isles Knitwear' in the Register of Members' Interests, dated 24th May, 2007.

Mr. Hodge states that the rent paid by him to Northern Isles Knitwear occurred within the period January to November, 2007.

 

As regards other rent paid by Mr Hodge direct to Judane, one wonders why none of this was used by Judane to pay SDT?

The Shetland Times article clearly mentions that no Principal nor Interest has ever been paid to the Trust.

[Para Handy]

Here here icepick239

Why was the rent from Mr Hodge, not paid to the Judane account?

And in the name of her partner?

But it has been paid to Mrs. Miller and in another Company name. Northern Isles Knitwear.

 

It is the same as a person, claiming housing benefit and telling the council benefit section, that you have only one bank account. And keeping all your savings in another bank. You would be done for fraud / theft etc. Why is she now? in a position of trust on the council.

I just surprised that the rent was not paid to an account named the Duck House of Bell Tower

Just like our MPs have done. The whole thing just has a nasty smell about it

And I wonder if the tax man knows about all that rent money

[icepick239]

There is no mention of 'Northern Isles Knitwear' in the Register of Members' Interests, dated 24th May, 2007.

Mr. Hodge states that the rent paid by him to Northern Isles Knitwear occurred within the period January to November, 2007.

 

As regards other rent paid by Mr Hodge direct to Judane, one wonders why none of this was used by Judane to pay SDT?

The Shetland Times article clearly mentions that no Principal nor Interest has ever been paid to the Trust.

There is also another side to this unholy mess.

SDT would surely have its own Internal Auditors, whose brief is to see that all the conditions attached to any Loan granted are adhered to as per the lending rules that govern the Shetland Development Trust.

This in turn must surely be subject to the mass of governance that is contained within the Rules of The Charitable Trust.

My question is: How is it possible this can be signed-off year after year, until it manages to get to the stage where it is at today?

Where did the 'Buck' stop?

[oddtablet]

precisely.

 

Answers required

[Heimdal]

My reaction to all this is to (mis)quote Shakespeare's 'Hamlet'

 

"There is something rotten in the state of Shetland"

[Shoogler]

This in turn must surely be subject to the mass of governance that is contained within the Rules of The Charitable Trust.

:

 

I understand what you are aiming at but, the SDT funds are derived from the SIC Reserve Fund and have nothing to do with the Charitable Trust. The initial Loans to Judane back in 1993 may have preceded the formation of the SDT however and then at some stage transferred to that body (i'm not sure of dates when the Trust was formed).