Colin Posted February 3, 2012 Report Share Posted February 3, 2012 Otherwise than her husband having an interest !!? 50% Obviously there was some form doubt from fellow councillors who made the following complaint. I know they were 'cleared' but the whole thing whiff a bit.Not if you know the truth. She probably has enough other interests including plenty jointly held with the Judane boss. Are they related by any chance? Frank Miller was not the 'Judane Boss'. He owned 50% Register of Interests for : Caroline H J Miller [HUGE SNIP][/HUGE SNIP]Quite an impressive cv but, where does it say that she was employed or paid anything by Judane? What I see most of on this thread (apart from a load of 'guff') is spite and jealousy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMe Posted February 3, 2012 Report Share Posted February 3, 2012 It was public funds but now that it's been stolen by the thieves that got away with it, it's rather private funds - or so I was told.Why oh why have the moderators allowed this posting to be here after several hours?. Surely it cannot be allowed to make this sort of allegation on a public forum. I would suggest that in future you read what you are moaning about. Nobody was named, nobody was accused - or perhaps you can prove me wrong Well George the Gent, the whole thread seems to be accusing a certain family of enjoying public funds which is fine but your posting uses the words "stolen" and "thieves". Now as I see it saying that someone has done rather well out of the public purse is a topic for debate but your post seemed to me to suggest that the same people had used criminal tactics to benefit from those funds. Unless you can back up such an allegation with facts that would stand up in a Sheriff's court I think you are going a bit too far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuckleJoannie Posted February 3, 2012 Report Share Posted February 3, 2012 As far as I recall the sum written off the Judane loan was penalty payments that had built up due to them being unable to pay - I think the Chris Hodge debacle had something to do with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulb Posted February 3, 2012 Report Share Posted February 3, 2012 so would they have had defaults registered against them or just the company. imagine if it was one of us and we had defaulted on a loan for that much with or without charges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Posted February 4, 2012 Report Share Posted February 4, 2012 so would they have had defaults registered against them or just the company. imagine if it was one of us and we had defaulted on a loan for that much with or without charges. From memory, a moratorium was imposed on the interest.. Unfortunately, it was 'conveniently' ignored by certain departments in order to make their figures look better. The councillors who complained, imho, were a little 'green' and were set up by someone (not quite so green) with a personal grudge against Frank Miller. As for your imaginary scenario, they want the money, you don't have it, which party has the biggest problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shetlandpeat Posted February 4, 2012 Report Share Posted February 4, 2012 so would they have had defaults registered against them or just the company. imagine if it was one of us and we had defaulted on a loan for that much with or without charges. Would you not declare insolvency? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulb Posted February 4, 2012 Report Share Posted February 4, 2012 but they had assests that covered the debts. they bought a building after going bust. that really must be the guide to how they are dealing with the failier of thier company. if they are better off now than before it went bust then something is wrong. i suppose its too much to expect folks to pay what they owe. i agree colin not many of those on the council who complained are innocent. the millers are not the only ones to have gained by poor debt recovery systems. are we still not allowed to talk about someones brother who they clearly did not know had borrowed loads for his dodgy fish firm. the millers may be bad but at least they have not gagged us from speaking the truth. a lot of the council have had cash out of the public trusts. peat i would go bust after i had used all my assests up first. if there were people dependent on me for work then more so. i don't blame the millers for avoiding their debts they are human after all. however there is blame for those that failed to secure the money they owed properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icepick239 Posted February 4, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2012 .....There is a company that lists Judane as one of its 'clients' - anyone heard of them??!!http://www.dalzell.org.uk/page5.html There are Advisors and there are Advisors.There are Clients and there are Clients.I wonder, Just what category does the above fall into - and what exactly was done (or is being done) by Dalzell Consulting for Judane (Shetland) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Posted February 4, 2012 Report Share Posted February 4, 2012 Why oh why do people insist on making statements that clearly demonstrate that they have absolutely no knowledge of what they are talking about?but they had assests that covered the debts. they bought a building after going bust.[/quoteJust how do you think they managed to conjure up the cash to buy a building after they went 'bust'?Judane were a very succesful local company who, over the years, provided decent emplyment for a lot of local people. So succesful that they needed a much larger, more modern factory. They built the new factory partly with their own money but also with a loan.. Got it so far? Judane have not gone 'bust' as you put it, they were obliged to stop trading as the manufacturing process could not compete with the Far East in terms of cost. that really must be the guide to how they are dealing with the failier of thier company. if they are better off now than before it went bust then something is wrong.How do you arrive at the position that they must now be 'better off'? The Millers have a number of succesful business interests. That suggests to me that they are hard working, decent, honest people. One business had to close due to a changing market and, all of a sudden, they become pariahs???i suppose its too much to expect folks to pay what they owe.What makes you think that they owe anything? the millers may be bad but at least they have not gagged us from speaking the truth. There you go again.. Judging people you do not know is easy if you subscribe to the 'pack mentality' that exists here.Try reading this thread right from the start. Follow the appropriate links. Let us all know how many times you see Frank Miller posting anything on this forum and ask youself if he really thinks that he should discuss his business interests in public with a largely anonymous audience. i don't blame the millers for avoiding their debts they are human after all. however there is blame for those that failed to secure the money they owed properly. I give in... Life is to short... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icepick239 Posted February 29, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 Seeing he has listed 16 questions, with regard to the 'Bressay Brig Fiasco' can we now also expect Jonathon, or perhaps some other Councillor(s), to ask relevant questions about what went on between Judane and the Council...Many will say this has been put to bed, but it just doesn't go to sleep does it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dratsy Posted February 29, 2012 Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 Judane were a very succesful local company who, over the years, provided decent emplyment for a lot of local people. So succesful that they needed a much larger, more modern factory. They built the new factory partly with their own money but also with a loan.. Got it so far? £13million turnover over 26 years is hardly a very successful company, minimum wage is hardly decent employment, at the same time as we financed their new factory the owners purchased property abroad and at home, if they could afford said properties what the hell were they needing our money for....Got it so far? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulb Posted February 29, 2012 Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 is that the same firm that was in the times past that refused to give there works heaters during winter until they went on strike. i suppose you could not call them a sweatshop then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icepick239 Posted April 7, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2012 It would be proper to receive a final accounting, regarding Judane...Failing an answer by Mr & Mrs Miller, then perhaps SIC Officials could supply the requisite information..This after all, was public funds..Unlike all previous requests, perhaps we can get an answer this time around..Maybe even prior to Election Day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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