Dipped Headlights

[shetlandpeat]

Snip...

 

Peat, this is Shetland, this is an issue in Shetland, you are not in Shetland and your understanding and appreciation of the issue is severely restricted at best. Folk in Shetland know what will, or won't work in the Shetland situation, your experience and "wisdom" gleaned on the sidelines of the great highways and byeways of of northern Englandshire are about as relevant and helpful to the Shetland situation as the finer points of traversing the roads from hell in the mountains of Peru. ...Snippp

 

 

I doubt that, with the number of continual whines about the Councillors "Shetland folk" keep electing, mentioned on here, your judgement could be seen as somewhat floored, if Shetland folk know what will or will not work in Shetland because they are there, surely there will be little to compalin about.

 

Where ever you are in the world, generally people will act in a similar fashion to circumstances. There may be peculiarities that relate to an area, but generally folk are the same. If you look at the Drink Drive campaign, simply arresting folk while they are already on the road pissed in control of their vehicles is counter productive, especially if they have already travelled some distance when in that state, this is why there are campaigns around the offence, TeeVee ads, bill boards, papers, social media outlets and other literature, why, we do not want these folk on the road to start with. Why would you want only to wait until they have committed an offence and put the general road user at risk?

The same can be said about faulty lighting on vehicles, while the Police are dealing with one offender giving a FPN to them, how many may drive past? So, the way to highlight this is to have a campaign, if the situation is that serious, that can advertise what can happen in the event of faulty lighting, as well as the penalties and a regular campaign (it has already been mentioned that this happens at a certain time of year) that targets the peak times that these offences are committed.

A non-endorsable FPN will be, for some, a risk worth taking. Folk have been willing to take a chance to lose their licence through their actions, it is then reasonable to believe that they will take a chance to drive with a light out at the risk of a £50 fine. Headlight bulbs can start at about £10 but are, around £25 for several cars and with the new HID lamps being about £55, the FPN may be a cheaper option for some, especially if you are also paying for someone to do the work for you.

 

What we need, is to see no body drive on the road with defective vehicle, especially if the consequenses can be quite devastating. This is regardless of where you are in Great Britain.

 

 

There's always more than one way to skin a cat, not everbody gives a toss for anally following "regulations" to every last word.

 

This is the problem that was highlighted in another thread, it is correct, folk are not really caring about others, evident through their actions. It could be seen then as that some "Shetland Folk" have different thoughts than other "Shetland Folk" on what is best for Shetland Folk. Disingenuous to think they are all the same and know what is best.

Edited October 11, 2014 by shetlandpeat

[Kavi Ugl]

There's a bulb out in my kitchen. My neighbour's are furious !! They are threatening to have a " squad " car sit outside my house and wait on me coming home. It's amazing what annoys people these days. Mind your own business and get a life,please. That is all I have to say on this trivial and very boring matter. ( now where do I keep my spare bulbs ?)

 

 

Many years ago I was told the reason cars with a headlight out is frowned upon is not just because it's illegal but because in dark conditions some drivers might mistake the single working headlight for a motorbike and do something silly.

 

Telling people to "get a life" because we're concerned about the standard of driving in Shetland won't be so "funny" when a school bairn runs across the road some dark winter morning and gets knocked down by a car they didn't see because the idiot driver thought he "could see okay" and switched his lights off.....

[shetlandpeat]

Lights are not just for darkness. They are a valuable and needed asset in heavy rain and foggy conditions. This is why it is important to have working lights on a vehicle.

[mogling]

Daytime Running Lights (DRL) Low energy front lights that switch on automatically

"You've probably noticed those bright LED 'eyebrows' on newer cars, but why are so many cars being fitted with them, and what are they for?

European legislation adopted in 2008 required dedicated daytime running lights (DRL) to be fitted to all new 'types' of passenger cars and small delivery vans since February 2011. Trucks and buses followed from August 2012.

Daytime running lights are designed to come on automatically when the engine is started - all other lights should remain off"

http://www.theaa.com/motoring_advice/safety/daytime-running-lights.html

 

Sadly, "Existing vehicles will not have to be retrofitted. Currently, 17 EU countries already have some form of DRL legislation."

http://ec.europa.eu/transport/road_safety/topics/vehicles/daytime_running_lights/index_en.htm

 

 

People who drive in "reduced visibility" {fog, heavy rain, snow etc} with either no lights on, or who switch on their Parking lights {some call them 'side-lights'} -could we not just be allowed to shoot them?

[Ghostrider]

 

Snip...

 

Peat, this is Shetland, this is an issue in Shetland, you are not in Shetland and your understanding and appreciation of the issue is severely restricted at best. Folk in Shetland know what will, or won't work in the Shetland situation, your experience and "wisdom" gleaned on the sidelines of the great highways and byeways of of northern Englandshire are about as relevant and helpful to the Shetland situation as the finer points of traversing the roads from hell in the mountains of Peru. ...Snippp

 

 

I doubt that, with the number of continual whines about the Councillors "Shetland folk" keep electing, mentioned on here, your judgement could be seen as somewhat floored, if Shetland folk know what will or will not work in Shetland because they are there, surely there will be little to compalin about.

 

Where ever you are in the world, generally people will act in a similar fashion to circumstances. There may be peculiarities that relate to an area, but generally folk are the same. If you look at the Drink Drive campaign, simply arresting folk while they are already on the road pissed in control of their vehicles is counter productive, especially if they have already travelled some distance when in that state, this is why there are campaigns around the offence, TeeVee ads, bill boards, papers, social media outlets and other literature, why, we do not want these folk on the road to start with. Why would you want only to wait until they have committed an offence and put the general road user at risk?

The same can be said about faulty lighting on vehicles, while the Police are dealing with one offender giving a FPN to them, how many may drive past? So, the way to highlight this is to have a campaign, if the situation is that serious, that can advertise what can happen in the event of faulty lighting, as well as the penalties and a regular campaign (it has already been mentioned that this happens at a certain time of year) that targets the peak times that these offences are committed.

A non-endorsable FPN will be, for some, a risk worth taking. Folk have been willing to take a chance to lose their licence through their actions, it is then reasonable to believe that they will take a chance to drive with a light out at the risk of a £50 fine. Headlight bulbs can start at about £10 but are, around £25 for several cars and with the new HID lamps being about £55, the FPN may be a cheaper option for some, especially if you are also paying for someone to do the work for you.

 

What we need, is to see no body drive on the road with defective vehicle, especially if the consequenses can be quite devastating. This is regardless of where you are in Great Britain.

 

 

There's always more than one way to skin a cat, not everbody gives a toss for anally following "regulations" to every last word.

 

This is the problem that was highlighted in another thread, it is correct, folk are not really caring about others, evident through their actions. It could be seen then as that some "Shetland Folk" have different thoughts than other "Shetland Folk" on what is best for Shetland Folk. Disingenuous to think they are all the same and know what is best.

 

 

Jeezz.....Ever thought of becoming a politician.

[shetlandpeat]

nope

[Ghostrider]

^ I bet that's news to a few voters in Northern Englandshire.

[shetlandpeat]

No idea what you are on about. You need to keep up.

 

Anyhow, enough about you.

 

It seems that you do not need to use headlights on roads if lit at night with streetlights.

 

 

4. Lighting requirements (113 to 116) 113

You MUST

• ensure all sidelights and rear registration plate lights are lit between sunset and sunrise
• use headlights at night, except on a road which has lit street lighting. These roads are generally restricted to a speed limit of 30 mph (48 km/h) unless otherwise specified
• use headlights when visibility is seriously reduced (see Rule 226).

Night (the hours of darkness) is defined as the period between half an hour after sunset and half an hour before sunrise).
Laws RVLR regs 3, 24, & 25, (In Scotland - RTRA 1984 sect 82 (as amended by NRSWA, para 59 of sched )

This may upset some lorry drivers and those who have modifies their own lights/

 

 

You MUST NOT

• use any lights in a way which would dazzle or cause discomfort to other road users, including pedestrians, cyclists and horse riders

 

1. Overview (226) 226

You MUST use headlights when visibility is seriously reduced, generally when you cannot see for more than 100 metres (328 feet). You may also use front or rear fog lights but you MUST switch them off when visibility improves (see Rule 236). Law RVLR regs 25 & 27

https://www.gov.uk/general-rules-all-drivers-riders-103-to-158/lighting-requirements-113-to-116

 

I would expect those who have driven for a number of years to really know this. This is why it makes it all the more worrying that they act the way they do. I do, on average about 4,000 miles a year deliberately driving in adverse weather. Certainly see some worrying sights.

Edited October 12, 2014 by shetlandpeat

[Ghostrider]

No idea what you are on about.

 

No sweat. You don't need to know, only the relevant voters do....that, and the fact you don't know.

 

Job done. Sweet. Cheers.

[JohanofNess]

 

 

 

Peat, this is Shetland, this is an issue in Shetland, you are not in Shetland and your understanding and appreciation of the issue is severely restricted at best. Folk in Shetland know what will, or won't work in the Shetland situation, your experience and "wisdom" gleaned on the sidelines of the great highways and byeways of of northern Englandshire are about as relevant and helpful to the Shetland situation as the finer points of traversing the roads from hell in the mountains of Peru.

 

Now to be fair everyone is entitled to an opinion. However, that opinions impact is immediately diluted to the point of being pointless when that person is commenting lets say on a community hundreds upon hundreds of miles away with totally different infrastructure and facilities to those that they know the most intimate of details of.

 

Oh wait, yeah see your point now.

[Windwalker]

I'm all for everyone having the right to express an opinion, what I can't stand is being continually talked down to and constantly told what 'we' should do, or that's not what it's like here etc.

 

in my opinion, people who have an opinion on, and feel they have to challenge nearly every thread, either have little to do, or just enjoy being difficult for the hell of it.

[Colin]

If only 1 light was on..  Is it still safe to assume that no one's home?????

[Windwalker]

Back on subject, what could be useful would be a couple of days of roadside lights checks, where vehicles are pulled in and all lights checked, not with the intention of charging people, but to advise if any problems need to be fixed. This would be both educational and prior advertising would get people thinking and hopefully checking their lights.

 

This would be a good time of year to do it with folk having to drive in the dark again. If time can be found to do speed checks I'm sure some time could be set aside for light checks.

[shetlandpeat]

snip... but to advise if any problems need to be fixed. This would be both educational and prior advertising would get people thinking and hopefully checking their lights.

 

This would be a good time of year to do it with folk having to drive in the dark again. If time can be found to do speed checks I'm sure some time could be set aside for light checks.

Which would be the logical thing to do, just going in with the mindset just to fine folk will never work. That has been proven.

[Colin]

roadside lights checks, where vehicles are pulled in and all lights checked, not with the intention of charging people, but to advise if any problems need to be fixed. This would be both educational and prior advertising would get people thinking and hopefully checking their lights.

This, imho, is never going to happen...  If 'plod' pulls you in for a 'once over' then, you are more than likely to be 'reported' if any faults are found. 

The only 'education' you are likely to get is that being pulled in for 'checks' can be quite expensive.

 

Furthermore, in this land of limited freedom, the police already have sufficient powers(?) granted to them by the state to indulge in revenue generating activities against motorists whenever and however they choose..

They don't need to pick a 'day' as they can do it any time they like....