JohanofNess Posted March 2, 2010 Report Share Posted March 2, 2010 I knew several people working in the construction industry when I lived in London and none of them got paid to get to work! Did they live within 15km of their workplace? And you couldn't make a claim because your contract wouldn't have been subject to the same terms and conditions as those workers who were subject to the terms and conditions of the CIJC deal as you were doing clerical work. My contract even though I work for a construction company isn't subject to the CIJC deal as I'm professionally qualified and not covered within the agreements made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unlinkedstudent Posted March 2, 2010 Report Share Posted March 2, 2010 I knew several people working in the construction industry when I lived in London and none of them got paid to get to work! Did they live within 15km of their workplace? Nope. Lived in East London and construction site was in Stevenage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longdog Posted March 2, 2010 Report Share Posted March 2, 2010 Unlinked student, you really have got a bee in your bonnet about other peoples work practises OK I shouldn't reply but what the heck... As for SIC,why do you assume everyone is dishonest and taking a lend? Also why do you think that it is over staffed with people lollygagging around both in SIC and Education? I have actually worked for a local authoritiy where I had a vehicle, getting to work and back wasn't free, it was taxed. I'd have rather got to work myself and then got the landrover but it was seen un-necessarily awkward for the department as I'd have to leave it at a depot, then drive to the office in the landy while leaving my car in the coucil depot. They simply didn't have the space to allow people to do this it was better for the council for people to take the vehicles home. As for private sector, well, it depends on the private sector you're talking about I guess, as it's private I guess every company has it's own system depending on what it's business is and what work best for them. I continue to find it amazing how this is such a hot topic in light of other major saving that could be made. It actually helps the system work better... zzzzzzzzzzz............ . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohanofNess Posted March 2, 2010 Report Share Posted March 2, 2010 I knew several people working in the construction industry when I lived in London and none of them got paid to get to work! Did they live within 15km of their workplace? Nope. Lived in East London and construction site was in Stevenage. Site was located in the same place then they wouldn't be due it, unlike council workers who may have a base office but work on many different sites. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unlinkedstudent Posted March 2, 2010 Report Share Posted March 2, 2010 Unlinked student, you really have got a bee in your bonnet about other peoples work practises OK I shouldn't reply but what the heck... As for SIC,why do you assume everyone is dishonest and taking a lend? Also why do you think that it is over staffed with people lollygagging around both in SIC and Education? I have actually worked for a local authoritiy where I had a vehicle, getting to work and back wasn't free, it was taxed. I'd have rather got to work myself and then got the landrover but it was seen un-necessarily awkward for the department as I'd have to leave it at a depot, then drive to the office in the landy while leaving my car in the coucil depot. They simply didn't have the space to allow people to do this it was better for the council for people to take the vehicles home. As for private sector, well, it depends on the private sector you're talking about I guess, as it's private I guess every company has it's own system depending on what it's business is. I continue to find it amazing how this is such a bif topic in light of other major saving that could be made. It actually helps the system work better... zzzzzzzzzzz............ . Longdog - I am entitled to contribute to a topic just as you are. One could argue that you have a bee in your bonnet too. I have not assumed that everyone is dishonest within the SIC but have merely questioned whether or not the SIC are monitoring it correctly. Please show me and quote where I stated that it was overstaffed with people lollygagging around both in SIC and Education? I haven't. For starters, I have never used the word "lollygagging". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ghostrider Posted March 2, 2010 Report Share Posted March 2, 2010 Council workers taking vans home with them at night is always going to be a difficult one to fight against, in no small part due to a widespread culture in local private enterprise of workers doing exactly the same. Take a look at whats parked up around folks houses any evening, and you'll find vans, trucks, even buses belonging to more local firms than I would want to start counting. If, as it seems to be, it is an accepted "perk" in private enterprise, trying to eradicate it in public service trades is going to be a very uphill struggle. I'm not knocking it as a idea, anything that saves taxpayers money is good. Just that against the backdrop of "normal" practices in comparable private enterprise, any change is not going to be easy won. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unlinkedstudent Posted March 2, 2010 Report Share Posted March 2, 2010 Council workers taking vans home with them at night is always going to be a difficult one to fight against, in no small part due to a widespread culture in local private enterprise of workers doing exactly the same. Take a look at whats parked up around folks houses any evening, and you'll find vans, trucks, even buses belonging to more local firms than I would want to start counting. If, as it seems to be, it is an accepted "perk" in private enterprise, trying to eradicate it in public service trades is going to be a very uphill struggle. Valid points. However, with hindsight, perhaps a comparison with the Post Office/Royal Mail vans would be more appropriate. I don't believe that postmen/women can use the vans on the same par as SIC van workers and if I'm incorrect on this point, perhaps someone would care to enlighten the forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ll Posted March 2, 2010 Report Share Posted March 2, 2010 Council workers taking vans home with them at night is always going to be a difficult one to fight against, in no small part due to a widespread culture in local private enterprise of workers doing exactly the same. Take a look at whats parked up around folks houses any evening, and you'll find vans, trucks, even buses belonging to more local firms than I would want to start counting. If, as it seems to be, it is an accepted "perk" in private enterprise, trying to eradicate it in public service trades is going to be a very uphill struggle. Valid points. However, with hindsight, perhaps a comparison with the Post Office/Royal Mail vans would be more appropriate. I don't believe that postmen/women can use the vans on the same par as SIC van workers and if I'm incorrect on this point, perhaps someone would care to enlighten the forum. GPS tracking of vehicles is probably the only way to really save costs and maximise efficiency of the councils vehicle fleet. Benefits using this system include: Reduce excessive overtime and paperwork with automated time sheets Eliminate unauthorised vehicle use Monitor excessive idle times Increase route efficiencies with live tracking and mapping Improve response time with Nearest Vehicle Locator Alert you when drivers speed – a HUGE source of wasted fuel Provide reliable measurements to reward productive employees Encourage safe driving techniques Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohanofNess Posted March 2, 2010 Report Share Posted March 2, 2010 Valid points. However, with hindsight, perhaps a comparison with the Post Office/Royal Mail vans would be more appropriate. I don't believe that postmen/women can use the vans on the same par as SIC van workers and if I'm incorrect on this point, perhaps someone would care to enlighten the forum. Not really comparing an apple with a guava this time The Royal Mail isn't the council and as operations are centralised in a sorting office they wouldn't need use of the postie vans for the same purposes as a council worker the only stuff in a post van is the post which needs to be collected on a daily basis from the sorting office, the council vans carry tools which allow the workers to go directly to where work needs to be done which may be nowhere near Lerwick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankie Posted March 2, 2010 Report Share Posted March 2, 2010 Council workers taking vans home with them at night is always going to be a difficult one to fight against, in no small part due to a widespread culture in local private enterprise of workers doing exactly the same. Take a look at whats parked up around folks houses any evening, and you'll find vans, trucks, even buses belonging to more local firms than I would want to start counting. If, as it seems to be, it is an accepted "perk" in private enterprise, trying to eradicate it in public service trades is going to be a very uphill struggle. Do you not think it is common in private businesses because it is considered to be cost effective ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgray467 Posted March 2, 2010 Report Share Posted March 2, 2010 why dont they start charging on the unst and fetlar ferry routes again, that'll produce some more income! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stirrer Posted March 2, 2010 Report Share Posted March 2, 2010 In round figures, the SIC has an annual budget of approx £100 million, of which approx £50 million is swallowed up in paying staff. If it is accepted that for the council to live within it's means, the annual budget has to be reduced. For that to happen, either services are severely reduced, staff are reduced, or a combination of both. Surely, if less services are provided, less staff will be needed to deliver the services. Therefore it should be accepted that staff reductions are required. An easy start would be the yellow van drivers. Following the single status aggrement, the DLO is now extremely expensive to run and provides a very inefficient service - a service which could be provided much cheaper (and better) by the private sector. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted March 2, 2010 Report Share Posted March 2, 2010 Unlinked student, you really have got a bee in your bonnet about other peoples work practises OK I shouldn't reply but what the heck... As for SIC,why do you assume everyone is dishonest and taking a lend? Also why do you think that it is over staffed with people lollygagging around both in SIC and Education? I have actually worked for a local authoritiy where I had a vehicle, getting to work and back wasn't free, it was taxed. I'd have rather got to work myself and then got the landrover but it was seen un-necessarily awkward for the department as I'd have to leave it at a depot, then drive to the office in the landy while leaving my car in the coucil depot. They simply didn't have the space to allow people to do this it was better for the council for people to take the vehicles home. As for private sector, well, it depends on the private sector you're talking about I guess, as it's private I guess every company has it's own system depending on what it's business is. I continue to find it amazing how this is such a bif topic in light of other major saving that could be made. It actually helps the system work better... zzzzzzzzzzz............ . Longdog - I am entitled to contribute to a topic just as you are. One could argue that you have a bee in your bonnet too. I have not assumed that everyone is dishonest within the SIC but have merely questioned whether or not the SIC are monitoring it correctly. Please show me and quote where I stated that it was overstaffed with people lollygagging around both in SIC and Education? I haven't. For starters, I have never used the word "lollygagging". Yes you are entitled to contribute BUT you go ON AND ON AND ON AND ON FOR GOD'S SAKE GIVE IT A REST as Longdog stated ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ Your constant opinion is getting boring plus if you are not happy with the way things are run up here, go back to London. On another note you should change your user name to Duracell (go on and on and on) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icepick239 Posted March 2, 2010 Report Share Posted March 2, 2010 In round figures, the SIC has an annual budget of approx £100 million, of which approx £50 million is swallowed up in paying staff.If it is accepted that for the council to live within it's means, the annual budget has to be reduced. For that to happen, either services are severely reduced, staff are reduced, or a combination of both But still they insist and then incur huge costs on looking at Tunnels, just to satisfy the few.It's not that Tunnels are wrong, it's just that The SIC Budget can't afford it.80 million will rise to 100 million by the time arses are in gear, with a cost in lost Interest of 4-5 million p.a, every year.The 250 million safety floor net looks like it could be up for a hammering in the future. Ok, bring on the Windmills then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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