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  1. 1. Where do you stand?

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Du can mebbe furgee and furyat sic laek efter a sentry, but dats no me. Da sam lies in wi dem yit, hits juist anunder toom, fowir giniraesins dusna breed im oot.

Gettin brawly near blindd prejudice dere I doot.

 

Du can caw im blindd predjadis ur ocht idder du laeks, bit whin da Scotties twartree floorie wirds idda dae ir bakkit up wi dir attitudes an akshins I'll start ta tink da gaw is nae langir hingin be da livvir. Util sic a time micht cum, dir nae caus fur me ta tink dem it cums noo ir oota ony idder bul is dem it cam afore dis daes.

 

Dem it dunna git laer fae histiry ir set ta repaet hit!

 

Absolutely agree - bit it haes ta be accurate history, no 19th century politeecal propaganda fae da Lairdy classes!

 

Da histiry Im entin is fu me ain forebears wir traetit wi da Scotties it hed pooer, ocht iddir I tak wi a gud grain a saut, an showe im weel.

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>>For the record, this is neither an argument for or against further devolved power. I neither understand Brian's scorn of the idea or fully embrace it myself

 

What I am scornful of isn't the idea, but the antics of those who prate on about the subject for months on end, but do absolutely nothing about it.

 

Derick: whi gave dee da idea dat da truck commission an da Napier commission had onything ta do with Scotland! Laek it or no, I'm afraid dey wir da brainchildren o da imperial government, just as much as da press gang ...

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Derick: whi gave dee da idea dat da truck commission an da Napier commission had onything ta do with Scotland! Laek it or no, I'm afraid dey wir da brainchildren o da imperial government, just as much as da press gang ...

 

Aye, fair enoch: Correction noted!

Greed, an its antidote haes nae country.

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dir nae caus fur me ta tink dem it cums noo ir oota ony idder bul is dem it cam afore dis daes.

 

Da histiry Im entin is fu me ain forebears wir traetit wi da Scotties....

 

I raelly joost do not understaund dat attitude: whit wey can you bleem fok ida praisent day fur things at someen did a hunder an fifty year ago?

 

Fok fae Shetlan wis involved ida slave trade, ida colonisation o India...whitivver. Does da mean at wis, livin da day, should feel guilt, apologise or pey compensation for sometheen we hed neatheen ta dae wi?? Na, na.

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dir nae caus fur me ta tink dem it cums noo ir oota ony idder bul is dem it cam afore dis daes.

 

Da histiry Im entin is fu me ain forebears wir traetit wi da Scotties....

 

I raelly joost do not understaund dat attitude: whit wey can you bleem fok ida praisent day fur things at someen did a hunder an fifty year ago?

 

Fok fae Shetlan wis involved ida slave trade, ida colonisation o India...whitivver. Does da mean at wis, livin da day, should feel guilt, apologise or pey compensation for sometheen we hed neatheen ta dae wi?? Na, na.

 

Da Scotties ir hed ower 500 yeer ta nail dir culirs ta da mast is ta fu dey see wis, da maist idda first 400 hit wis ta duh is dey saw fit, an we aw ken fu dat gud. Da hindmist hunder odd dir hed Inglin takkin mair intirist an keepin dir fit a-bawnd. Hit haes naethin avaa ta duh we blem, bit his aw thing da duh wi dir nashnil an poleetikal tak upoa wis. Whit idder wye can you try an see whit's cumin fae sumwye, is tak a gud glowir ower whit's bee pitten fae dat sam wye afore, pirteeklirlee is dir dun naethin dat micht mak you tink a new broom wis wun a dir huis?

 

If I gud ta India da morn an tried ta run da show athin ony wye, I wid ixpek ta be pitten furt upoa me eryse be a tirn bawnd a dem. No nessessirily bekase dir wis onythin rang wi my wye a runnin da show, bit bekase I wid ixpect dem ta be sowl seekened idda Breeteesh tellin dem whit ta duh. I micht weel be left alane if I juist got on wi me ain bizniss an lut dem git on wi dirs, da sam is Im ower igreeible ta ony Scottie duhin is ain thing whaur ivvir he laeks, is lang is he's no tryin ta tell me whit I sud be duhin it da same time.

 

Bein telld whit ta duh, whin ta duh hit and fu hit haes ta be dun be a Scottie, is whit Im seekened oh and whit Im no fur. Dir hed haf a Millenium ta shaw demsells fur whit dey ir, and sae shaws on upoa wis. Ingleesh rool michtna be great, bit you canna ignoar da fact it Shetlin is onlee ivver been ocht idda hunder odd yeer the Inglish ir taen an intirist. Idda 400 da Scotties did whit dey laekit da onlee eens a Shetlin duhin ower weel wis a haundfoo a muckle men it ocht aw, da maist a dem Scotties, ur a recint Scottie ansestiry, da rest a Shetlin wis haarlee survivin an athin poverty and det fae da cradil ta da grave.

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Bein telld whit ta duh, whin ta duh hit and fu hit haes ta be dun be a Scottie, is whit Im seekened oh and whit Im no fur. Dir hed haf a Millenium "ta shaw demsells fur whit dey ir,

"The consequence of this racial purity, universally valid in Nature, is not only the sharp outward delimitation of the various races,but their uniform character in themselves. The fox is always a fox, the goose a goose, the tiger a tiger, etc., and the difference can lie at most in the varying measure of force, strength, intelligence, dexterity, endurance,etc., of the individual specimens. But you will never find a fox who in his inner attitude might, for example, show humanitarian tendencies towardgeese, as similarly there is no cat with a friendly inclination toward mice."

Hitler, Adolf, (1925), Mein Kampf.

 

An a 'Scottie' is ey a 'Scottie'???

 

Ingleesh rool michtna be great, bit you canna ignoar da fact it Shetlin is onlee ivver been ocht idda hunder odd yeer the Inglish ir taen an intirist.

...da rest a Shetlin wis haarlee survivin an athin poverty and det fae da cradil ta da grave.

 

As wis ordnar fok in aa da rest a Scotland, Eengland, Ireland, Wales at da time.

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An a 'Scottie' is ey a 'Scottie'???

 

Util sic a time cums is dey shaw dir shengid dir wyes, yeaya. An Im been awarr a nae shenge wi dem yit.

 

Ingleesh rool michtna be great, bit you canna ignoar da fact it Shetlin is onlee ivver been ocht idda hunder odd yeer the Inglish ir taen an intirist.

...da rest a Shetlin wis haarlee survivin an athin poverty and det fae da cradil ta da grave.

 

As wis ordnar fok in aa da rest a Scotland, Eengland, Ireland, Wales at da time.

 

An aw fur diffirint raiseins, wir een maistly bein teivin Scotties an dir henchmen, wha hed is muckle ill-gotten assets is dey hed fair won eens, and wir takkin mair oota da fok tryin ta bide upoa hit is dey hed ta gie. An da hicher pooers ower dem saw it aw wi a blind ee.

 

Yeaya, I ken da Ingleesh wir duhin da same wi da Ireesh idda same dae, an if I wis Ireesh I wid be sayin da same aboot da Ingleesh is Im sayin aboot da Scotties eenoo. Im no Ireesh tho, an da Ingleesh is dun niddir me ur me forebears muckle faut, aless een dey Press Ganged an is buried anunder an aerodrome runwye sumwye idda Wast Indees. Da Scotties upoa da tidder haund wir staelin and bein a propir seekinin ta dem aw daily dae fur hunders a yeers. Da Scottie is hed far mair is plenty a me an mine, limmie heer an see whit dir gyaan ta duh fur me fur a sheinge afore I tink ta side wi dem redder is da Ingleesh.

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An a 'Scottie' is ey a 'Scottie'???

Util sic a time cums is dey shaw dir shengid dir wyes, yeaya. An Im been awarr a nae shenge wi dem yit.

I genuinely dunna keen whit ta say ta someen at seems ta be agreein wi racial purity theories, except it joost confirms ta me a 'Shetland Nationalism' is ethnic, exclusive an a peerie bit right-wing. Weill actually a big bit right wing.

 

Da Scotties upoa da tidder haund wir staelin and bein a propir seekinin ta dem aw daily dae fur hunders a yeers.

Dat is a cartoon version o history (an culture), an I tink it's based on a victorian unionist backlash against Liberal Hom Rule. Loardsake, even da neem a Shetlan itsel is half Pictish half Norse/Germanic!

 

E.g Pairt oda cartoon history is at da merchants wis 'haund in glove' wi da lairds - yit whin someen fur wance actually lookit at evidence (reydir as a whole lok a inherited gossip!) da reality wis entirely different. Robert a Setter geed ta da budder o gagglin troo Jeemie Williamson o Gardies old pippirs ie. actual evidence - an whit did he fin? - dat Williamson kerried half a Yell financially on his back, an bankrupted hissel finally fur his trouble. Real history: no cartoon history.

Johnson, R. L. (1979) A Shetland Country Merchant : being an account of the life and times of James Williamson of Mid Yell 1800-1872.

 

Da Scottie is hed far mair is plenty a me an mine, limmie heer an see whit dir gyaan ta duh fur me fur a sheinge afore I tink ta side wi dem redder is da Ingleesh.

A National Health Service, funded fae general taxation, free at da point o need? Cooncil tax increase o Nil % fur tree year?

 

Onywey, enoch a dis dirt: laekly better git organised fur anidder week a wage-slavery ta pey Gordon Broons fuel taxes etc ad nauseum.......

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Denmark haes nae oil. Finland haes nae oil.

Denmark does have oil and gas from the adjacent area of North Sea and gets good income from both.

If Shetland and Orkney were to go for joint independence, and especially if Faroe were to join in and make it a three member independent isles group. I might be swayed that independence is the way to go, but that's a non-starter as Shetland's relationship with either, or the others with each other is so little as make it unworkable.

Yeah, some time ago I was fancying visiting the 3 on the same trip, but the connection links inbetween, especially Faroe and Shetland (or the lack of them) destroyed my optimism ;)

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Williamson like thomason and anderson and any other name ending in son comes from the nordic tradition of son of william son of thomas, son of anders etc no really a dat scottish and might just explain his philanthropic nature.

 

but then again the evidence came fae williamsons own papers

 

dessy boy you also claim that it is the english that screwed the irish yet take a trip to ulster and I think you'll find you have irish catholics and protestant ulster scots. affy good at blaiming the english for their own missdemeanors is our loving cuddly scottie.

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dessy boy you also claim that it is the english that screwed the irish yet take a trip to ulster and I think you'll find you have irish catholics and protestant ulster scots. affy good at blaiming the english for their own missdemeanors is our loving cuddly scottie.

 

Whid ida neem o God is du on aboot boy?

 

I nivver said a wird re da Irish an English! Nor did I bleem da Eenglish for onything - and in fact am on record numerous times statin I reydir laek da Eenglish.

 

As fur dis idea at fok o a certain ancestry is racially superior. hah!

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Derrik wrote

 

By the later 19th century, the [Orange] Order was in decline. However, its fortunes were revived by the spread of Protestant opposition to Irish nationalist mobilisation in the Irish Land League and then around the question of Home Rule. The Order was heavily involved in opposition to Gladstone's first Irish Home Rule Bill 1886"

 

not only does our arguments fly straight ower de head but de ain are soon forgoten also

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Derrik wrote

 

By the later 19th century, the [Orange] Order was in decline. However, its fortunes were revived by the spread of Protestant opposition to Irish nationalist mobilisation in the Irish Land League and then around the question of Home Rule. The Order was heavily involved in opposition to Gladstone's first Irish Home Rule Bill 1886"

 

not only does our arguments fly straight ower de head but de ain are soon forgoten also

 

Mmmm. I struggle ta see whit wey a combination o revoltin race-character theories, an personal abuse maks graet debatin points.

 

Could du meebe expleen whit wey da point aboot Orangisem abune wis bleemin da Eenglish???

 

You could argue it wis Irish 'British' unionists at fabricatit a 'protestant' identity, as 'non-Irish' (despite da first Irish nationalists bein fae da protestant preachin north). Dey wid a chosen ta be onything - Zulus, Brummies, whitivver, redyir as bein 'Irish'.

 

Joost laek Shetlan victorian unionists fabricated a 'viking' (ie fake vikeeng) identity. Dey wid a chosen ta be Hotentots reydir as 'Scots'.

 

An you're still at it.

 

Oh! - Grand (surely murderous and theivin) Old (surely med up yisterday) Viking (er - fake viking) Centuries (weill OK no centuries at aa whin it wis written) Up Helly Aa has come (correction: not come)

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Fok fae Shetlan wis involved ida slave trade, ida colonisation o India...whitivver. Does da mean at wis, livin da day, should feel guilt, apologise or pey compensation for sometheen we hed neatheen ta dae wi?? Na, na.
Oh! - Grand (surely murderous and theivin) Old (surely med up yisterday) Viking

So what is your point derick?

That the british murdering and thieving and destruction of entire nations in Africa, India etc. in the name of 'the Empire' were more 'Glorious' then the Viking murdering and thieving? :roll:

 

And what has it to do with the current political situation in Shetland? :shock:

 

If Shetland and Orkney were to go for joint independence, and especially if Faroe were to join in and make it a three member independent isles group. I might be swayed that independence is the way to go, but that's a non-starter as Shetland's relationship with either, or the others with each other is so little as make it unworkable.
Though it is unlikely that either really have an interest in what actually goes on here any more than we scrutinise London's or Edinburgh's local politics. It's all about balance sheets really, as there are insufficient voters here for them to really care. :wink:

What goes on in Shetland seems to have unfortunately become unimportant to their tiny Faroese neighbours as well. The Faroese Republicans have allied themselves with the SNP and a future independent Scotland is seen as maybe the most important partner for a future independent Faroe. Shetland seems to have vanished into the all-embracing term 'Scotland' in the mind of Faroese politicians It didn´t use to be that way before. I remember when Shetland and Orkney were considered as independent entities and possible equal partners in Faroe.

 

I guess it´s a bit like Football; in the old days Faroe used to play against Shetland and Orkney, now we play against Italy and France.

 

I guess Shetland is very firmly grounded in the status-quo situation, while Faroe is moving ahead.

 

To much joy for derick of course :lol:

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^Interesting Faroese politics Dagfinn.

 

Some time ago i shared an almost similar view to that which derick is perhaps conveying, in that the emphasis on viking heritage was greatly over emphasised and in particular the festivals were pure fabrications, origianlly intended to get folk off the grog after new year and now more likely to get them on it.

 

Now i think that despite the relatively short era of Norwegian ownership of shetland, a lot of blood is shared betqween here and scandinavia, and heritage and perhaps in the eras before and after Shetland's isolation meant that it was pretty much it's own entity anyway. The modern festivals are now a wonderful piece of marketing along with being a spectacular piece of community dynamics in bringing people together - so fake or not, it's still a worthy activity. We could change it to Up-Helly-Highland-Fling or the like for derick, invent a tartan, but the net result would be the same really, a tar barrel would be easier tpo build than a galley i suppose. :wink:

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