FOI request re Dave Clark

[TeeAyBee]

I seriously doubt anyone will admit to any reservations they had about the Clark appointment now, at least officially, or they simply demonstrate thier lack of suitability to be part of the appointment process this time round.

 

How do you come to that conclusion?

 

I agree, they've all left it far too late to speak out, any distancing of themselves from Clark and the whole fiasco surrounding him should have been done long, long ago. To do so now would smack of ulterior motives, most of them to do with 11th hour attempts to save their own asses. But anyone who considered Clark wrong from the start, as I'd see it, surely were the only ones with sense, and definitely should be in on the next selection panel.

 

I think Spinner was alluding to the fact that if they were against Mr Clark's appointment from the start and didn't say anything at the time then they'd be demonstrating their unsuitability for the selection panel. I think you're both actually in agreement.

[Njugle]

No, I took Spinner's comments to be following the basic premise of local government democratic rule, once the majority decision has been taken, those against it are bound to publicly accept it as the best way forward and uphold it as best they can....or just say nothing.

 

Those speaking publicly against the previous appointment would be demonstrating their lack of understanding of how the system works and their unsuitability to function within it. They can argue til they are blue in the face behind closed doors, even when deciding who should form the selection panel, hell they could even threaten each-other, but to do so in public would be wrong, destructive and, dare I say, ignorant. Silence is golden.

[Ghostrider]

No, I took Spinner's comments to be following the basic premise of local government democratic rule, once the majority decision has been taken, those against it are bound to publicly accept it as the best way forward and uphold it as best they can....or just say nothing.

 

What's wrong with publically accepting and upholding it, but at the same time making it clear that on a personal level they do not, and never did support it. They are only going along with it as they ended up in the minority on the day. It would seem a whole lot more honest principle to me, and how things tend to go in just about every other sphere of life.

[zetlander60]

http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/news/2924056/Council-cash-row-rat-David-Clark-escapes-to-holiday-isle.html?print=yes

[Spinner72]

I seriously doubt anyone will admit to any reservations they had about the Clark appointment now, at least officially, or they simply demonstrate thier lack of suitability to be part of the appointment process this time round.

 

How do you come to that conclusion?

 

I agree, they've all left it far too late to speak out, any distancing of themselves from Clark and the whole fiasco surrounding him should have been done long, long ago. To do so now would smack of ulterior motives, most of them to do with 11th hour attempts to save their own asses. But anyone who considered Clark wrong from the start, as I'd see it, surely were the only ones with sense, and definitely should be in on the next selection panel.

 

I think Spinner was alluding to the fact that if they were against Mr Clark's appointment from the start and didn't say anything at the time then they'd be demonstrating their unsuitability for the selection panel. I think you're both actually in agreement.

 

That was what I meant. No point in speaking up now, if they didn't at the time.

[JohanofNess]

Cheating Clark was forced to quit his £90,000-a-year post when The Scottish Sun exposed his fling with Miller in January.

 

So it was all down to the sun then, they'll be telling us next they vanquished the Nazi's during the second world war and have found a cure for the common cold.

 

Spinner is right I reckon if they didn't speak up at the time of appointment they might as well hold their cheeks now. Nothing worse than someone jumping on the bandwagon when there is hardly any room left.

[Ghostrider]

^^ Depends on how you define "at the time". Yes, as I said above, now is too late, it smacks of saving their own asses, but immediately the appointment was announced at the end of last May would have smacked of sour grapes. At that point, those who did not support Clark's appointment IMHO were showing professionalism by saying nowt, accepting they were in the minority, and trying to make the most of a less than ideal situation.

 

"The time", as far as I'm concerned would have been anytime during the period from Up Helly Aa day, when it was known that Clark was almost certainly on his way out, and when his departure was finally signed, sealed and delivered. Any councillor who hopes to be voted back in at the next election should have been making it publically known during that period, that "I did not support this appointment, and despite trying to make it work, my original opinion has been vindicated by the unfolding of events".

 

The failure of any of the 22 to do so, as far as I'm concerned, places an equal amount of culpability in the lap of each and every one of them, and renders all 22 unsuitable to be electable come the next election.

[paulb]

Cheating Clark was forced to quit his £90,000-a-year post when The Scottish Sun exposed his fling with Miller in January.

 

So it was all down to the sun then, they'll be telling us next they vanquished the Nazi's during the second world war and have found a cure for the common cold.

 

Spinner is right I reckon if they didn't speak up at the time of appointment they might as well hold their cheeks now. Nothing worse than someone jumping on the bandwagon when there is hardly any room left.

 

they look happy on their holiday. terrible how the redundant suffer.

[briantwigley]

Oi Dave, lend us a tenner?

[Para Handy]

Seems to me that they would be somewhat embarrassed if the truth gets out

And what a total cock-up the whole fiasco has turned out to be

[Ghostrider]

Such a parcel of rogues.

 

Congratulations to Alistair Carmichael on his new job as David Cameron’s whipping boy........etc etc.

 

 

David A Clark

62 St Olaf Street,

Lerwick.

 

http://www.shetlandtimes.co.uk/2010/05/17/such-a-parcel-of-rogues

 

Do I detect a hint of t i t for tat going on.....

 

Surely not, how unseemly....

 

Seems that a certain ex-SIC employee doesn't want to let things lie, and bygones be bygones then....pity. I'm sure there are plenty of folk around who'll happily remind him of old adages like "Pots and kettles....", "Living in glasshouses...." etc, etc.

[icepick239]

Such a parcel of rogues.

Congratulations to Alistair Carmichael on his new job as David Cameron’s whipping boy........etc etc.

 

 

David A Clark

62 St Olaf Street,

Lerwick.

Do I detect a hint of t i t for tat going on.....

Surely not, how unseemly....

Seems that a certain ex-SIC employee doesn't want to let things lie, and bygones be bygones then....pity. I'm sure there are plenty of folk around who'll happily remind him of old adages like "Pots and kettles....", "Living in glasshouses...." etc, etc.

Hmmm, as the TV Ad says - "Should have gone to SpecSavers".

If DAC & J had done so, they might have SEEN aforehand just how much more rediculous they would be viewed as a result of their (individual/joint) letter-writing epistles.

[zetlander60]

I can almost understand why the Dave Clark forum has been closed again, but would suggest that Shetlink is being over-sensitive. It may of course be that the day-jobs of the moderators result in monetary return from SIC - in common with an unhealthy proportion of the Shetland electorate.

How many of the moderators and Clark defenders would be willing to confirm that they are substantially financially independent of SIC?

[Ghostrider]

^^ I dunno. It had kinda side slipped from discussing councillors and senior officials and an ex-senior official and anyone else involved insulting each other, to posters insulting each other, by the time Fjool nailed it up.

 

Personally I'd have left it open, the level the debate was at was just about all the subject deserves, but therein probably lies the reason why I'll never be a Mod.

[Njugle]

You are right GR, I think it should be apparent to anyone reading the last few posts of the thread that it had descended into a petty name calling brawl, and such discussions have no place on Shetlink, unless in fun and understood as such. We have closed a fair few threads over the past four years for just that reason. The reason the thread was left open up to that point was for the very reason that, however meagre the new content appearing here( much weaker than the actual stories that prompted the new discussion manifested themselves in the paper and particularly on the radio), it was once again a current affair.

 

zetlander. The whole world loves a conspiracy theory, but the only authorities that act over Shetlink are our considered discretion, our own terms and conditions and the law.

 

Anyway, if anyone ever wants to question or discusss a mod decision, please contact a mod rather than discussing it in a thread. Thanks.