Sovereign Shetland

[NewMagnie]

Come to my site! buymypointlesscrap.com

 

I accept payment in the standard groat of the Peoples Republic of Muckle Flugga.

 

Pounds? Pfft.

[Gorgonzola Butt-cheese]

The world is full to bursting point with people selling pointless crap.

You go to any country in the world and you will find a shop dedicated to selling memorabelia to tourist's.

If Stuart wants to offer for sale item's to the "online" tourist, well as I see it that's entirely up to him.

And the power remains in the hands of the buyer, you dont have to buy it.

 

Back to the conference, well it may not have had a big attendance but the movement has begun and I hope it will be developed to bring credible people forward to stand for election at local council level.

[beachcaster]

Back to the conference, well it may not have had a big attendance but the movement has begun and I hope it will be developed to bring credible people forward to stand for election at local council level.

 

Hopefully this "movement" has begun its final journey straight down the u-bend of the nearest toilet, where it belongs.

 

I hope Stuart has the sence to realise that he is flogging a dead horse here and move on.

[Gorgonzola Butt-cheese]

Its not just about Stuart any more beach caster, and from what he has started a new way forward is going to be offered to the folk of the community.

I for one have never been represented and have now lived through labour/conservative/labour/condem government at U.K. Level

Labour-lib/ snp at Scottish level.

I am fully convinced their is no difference what so ever from these mainstream parties, they all endorse E.U. control of our lands and seas and we are slaves to that system

And of course we suffer with a local council that is rarely aware of the difference between its anus and its elbow.

I dont agree about the whole starting a new nation thing, but i am sure there can be a new way forward where nobody loses out (by that I mean the present U.K managers and their E.U. Boss) and we the people here can enjoy a bit more equality and be freed from much of the unworkable regulations imposed on us from faceless buereacrats from afar.

The faroe islands and the Isle of Man and other similar Island groups enjoy far greater levels of autonomy than we do,.

From what I am aware they happily co-exist with their parent country or protectorate. And I am hoping the new movement will establish links with these Island groups to seek a new and better way forward for our own Island community.

In the new man Daniel Gear I see some one of truth and principle to represent the people in an honest and open way.

What I am hoping for now is that Daniel himself and hopefully a few more like minded souls alongside him will stand at the next local elections.

Whether anyone likes it or not we luckily still have that bit of democracy left, perhaps its the only bit we have.

So lets have less of the snidely remarks and a bit more open mature debate.

After all why shouldn't we endeavour to try to create something better for all the people.

That is what communities should be about, not just accepting that this is the way it is so thats the way it always will be.

[justlookin]

Back to the conference, well it may not have had a big attendance but the movement has begun and I hope it will be developed to bring credible people forward to stand for election at local council level.

 

Hopefully this "movement" has begun its final journey straight down the u-bend of the nearest toilet, where it belongs.

I hope Stuart has the sence to realise that he is flogging a dead horse here and move on.

 

Why would you say that?

Do you think all is great at the moment?

Don't you think we have the right to be free of this oppressive dictatorship we live under and start a fresh system which has fairness and equality at the heart of it?

Anyone who believes the elections will make a blind bit of difference is clearly in need of specialist help.

 

The older generations that I have spoken to have confirmed that for their whole lives, the system has been broken. Its never worked and the odds are, it never will. Yet we get new "leaders" in every couple of years that claim they can and want to solve the problem. They change nothing, repeal none of the pathetic petty "laws" the previous government enacted and continue to add new ones.

 

The E.U. dictate policy and our councils, government are helpless. Our so-called representatives are given 90seconds to speak about whatever issues they have within their constituency and are then cut off with no follow up or debate.

 

We have a possibility to change things for the better and it seems no-one bar a few are willing or wanting to do anything about it.

 

Forget that you've heard Stuart is involved. He is just another individual interested in being free of the Governmental restraints. He holds no leadership position and has no want to.

 

To get this off the ground is not going to be easy, I admit there hasn't been enough information put out with regard to Sovereignty and that alone is going to make people dubious. I will try my hardest to get as much useful information posted as possible.

[EM]

Do you think all is great at the moment?

... We have a possibility to change things for the better

It is all very well to huff and puff about all that is wrong, but simply calling for change will achieve nothing unless the changes proposed are clear and feasible. Almost all of what I heard at the conference was either pointing out the obvious flaws in various existing institutions and systems, or else naive pointless gestures. I had expected to hear a few proposals with some "meat" but it seemed more of a "tofu" experience.

[Gorgonzola Butt-cheese]

What would you suggest EM ?

[justlookin]

I think a better way forward would be for everyone to put forward their questions in a 1,2,3... format and we will try and give as much meaningful and useful information as possible. In the meantime I will try and get access to the website to update as much as possible.

[EM]

What would you suggest EM ?

You are not going to like it.

 

I believe that there are appropriate levels for the implementation of governance. Sometimes these are local, sometimes regional, sometimes national, sometimes international. Nothing too controversial so far. Where I expect we differ is how, and in which direction, existing sovereignty should change. In many cases it would be appropriate to devolve governance down to the local level, but at the same time I favour the transfer of certain matters upwards to international bodies such as the oft-despised EU superstate. The level of governance I see as least appropriate in the current world is national. Most legislation at the national level should, I believe, either trickle down to local or regional bodies, or else bubble upwards to international government.

 

Given the fact that Shetland's experience with the EU has been particularly badly flavoured due to the ridiculous fishery and agriculture policies, it is perfectly understandable why the EU is not popular here. Neverthless, warts and all, I feel it is the more appropriate organ for the management of very many modern issues.

[Malcolm]

 

Forget that you've heard Stuart is involved. He is just another individual interested in being free of the Governmental restraints. He holds no leadership position and has no want to.

 

 

If that is the case why is he still seeking donations for this cause via his website?

 

It is obvious that he does in fact hold a place of leadership, unless you are saying he has started the ball rolling and has now backed off and has handed Forewick over to the "New" leaders.

 

 

One of the original reasons given for starting this whole thing going was the "Lies" and "Non information" from the UK government.

There have been questions raised by Shetlinkers about where the funds raised for the cause have and are being spent, who is who and what the state of play is.

 

Why not start as you mean to go on and answer these questions ?

 

 

I wont hold my breath waiting though!

[paulb]

whats the tax status on all these donations. has tax been payed. it would be wrong to start an independance movement by cheating you present goverment.

[justlookin]

 

Forget that you've heard Stuart is involved. He is just another individual interested in being free of the Governmental restraints. He holds no leadership position and has no want to.

 

 

If that is the case why is he still seeking donations for this cause via his website?

 

It is obvious that he does in fact hold a place of leadership, unless you are saying he has started the ball rolling and has now backed off and has handed Forewick over to the "New" leaders.

 

 

One of the original reasons given for starting this whole thing going was the "Lies" and "Non information" from the UK government.

There have been questions raised by Shetlinkers about where the funds raised for the cause have and are being spent, who is who and what the state of play is.

 

Why not start as you mean to go on and answer these questions ?

 

 

I wont hold my breath waiting though!

 

I'll try and get the answer(s) to that one ASAP.

 

whats the tax status on all these donations. has tax been payed. it would be wrong to start an independance movement by cheating you present goverment.

 

As for the tax status, i'm not sure. Will find out and answer tonight.

 

As for cheating the present government, not the case. They haven't proven authority so no cheating on his part.

[Gorgonzola Butt-cheese]

That's very well put EM, I fully understand what you are saying.

Would we be in agreement to say at present we suffer from to much government? - Local, Holyrood, Westminster, Brussels and U.N.

 

Yes I realise that in hoping for changes here at our local level, that the bigger powers above will still be there and that we have to continue to deal and interact with them for many of the different functions of modern civilization.

 

I would say that the U.K.(the electorate) should be given the decision:- to continue with our current status as an E.U. Province, and then greatly reduce the number of msp's & mp's

 

Or to opt out like Norway and Switzerland, and then pay off all the mep's and just have a small number of delegates to attend their functions.

 

I am a democrat and would accept the majority decision on that one.

 

But of course all these parliaments are jobs for the boys of the political class and none of them are in any hurry to dismantle any part of it.

Cause there all doing too well living of our backs!

We just pay an ever increasing amount of money to an ever increasing number of politicians who individually have less power to do diddly squat.

 

We need to look to Faroe and their relationship with Denmark and the E.U.

And if Shetland could work under some similar sort of relationship with it's parent country, that to should go to the vote and again I would respect the majority decision.

 

 

I try to look at this fairly realistically.

[justlookin]

 

Forget that you've heard Stuart is involved. He is just another individual interested in being free of the Governmental restraints. He holds no leadership position and has no want to.

 

 

If that is the case why is he still seeking donations for this cause via his website?

 

It is obvious that he does in fact hold a place of leadership, unless you are saying he has started the ball rolling and has now backed off and has handed Forewick over to the "New" leaders.

 

 

One of the original reasons given for starting this whole thing going was the "Lies" and "Non information" from the UK government.

There have been questions raised by Shetlinkers about where the funds raised for the cause have and are being spent, who is who and what the state of play is.

 

Why not start as you mean to go on and answer these questions ?

 

 

I wont hold my breath waiting though!

 

The Sovereignty of Forvik has nothing to do with the Sovereign Shetland movement. Sovereign Shetland may have come out of it but Stuarts own personal sovereignty is his business. If you want answers with regard to Stuarts goings on, message him.

 

A great example of how Sovereignty has been used/preserved is on this website http://www.umatilla.nsn.us/decsov.html

[justlookin]

The Sovereignty of Forvik has nothing to do with the Sovereign Shetland movement. Sovereign Shetland may have come out of it but Stuarts own personal sovereignty is his business. If you want answers with regard to Stuarts goings on, message him.

 

A great example of how Sovereignty has been used/preserved is on this website http://www.umatilla.nsn.us/decsov.html

 

My last post was a bit rushed. What I should have said was. The Sovereign Nation of Forvik has nothing to do with the Sovereign Nation of Shetland. Two separate Nations.