daveh Posted December 8, 2010 Report Share Posted December 8, 2010 As a fairly-recent incomer to the Shetland community, I am staggered by the many ways that the council wastes its money whilst seeking to reign in expenditure in areas that cause such resentment. Can someone please explain to me why the councillors are all "independent" rather than being affiliated to a political party? I feel that if the councillors were Lib Dems or Tories, the wastage just wouldn't have been there to anywhere near the extent it has been and we thus wouldn't be seeing the potential damage to the Scalloway community, for instance, that will be caused if the school there closes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMe Posted December 8, 2010 Report Share Posted December 8, 2010 Just by chance I was looking at the council website yesterday and it does not claim that all 22 are independent. Instead it lists 11 as independent and 11 as "none" meaning no declared party. Maybe symbolic of the somewhat disorganised state of the SIC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl Patrick Posted December 8, 2010 Report Share Posted December 8, 2010 As a fairly-recent incomer to the Shetland community, I am staggered by the many ways that the council wastes its money whilst seeking to reign in expenditure in areas that cause such resentment. Can someone please explain to me why the councillors are all "independent" rather than being affiliated to a political party? I feel that if the councillors were Lib Dems or Tories, the wastage just wouldn't have been there to anywhere near the extent it has been and we thus wouldn't be seeing the potential damage to the Scalloway community, for instance, that will be caused if the school there closes. Simple - no whip, no rules, no accountability. just self interest and anarchy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cygni Posted December 8, 2010 Report Share Posted December 8, 2010 Good luck with the Scottish Ministers. Hope you retain your fine school. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graeme_Storey Posted December 8, 2010 Report Share Posted December 8, 2010 Good luck with the Scottish Ministers. Hope you retain your fine school. ^ ^ ^ exactly that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keldaberg Posted December 8, 2010 Report Share Posted December 8, 2010 As a fairly-recent incomer to the Shetland community, I am staggered by the many ways that the council wastes its money whilst seeking to reign in expenditure in areas that cause such resentment. Can someone please explain to me why the councillors are all "independent" rather than being affiliated to a political party? I feel that if the councillors were Lib Dems or Tories, the wastage just wouldn't have been there to anywhere near the extent it has been and we thus wouldn't be seeing the potential damage to the Scalloway community, for instance, that will be caused if the school there closes. Most, if not, all of our councillors are Tories or Lib Dems, Daveh. That's why they've closed Scalloway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveh Posted December 8, 2010 Report Share Posted December 8, 2010 Thanks for that response, keldaberg! Great to see you posting here. Surely, if they were Tories, they wouldn't have been wasting many hundreds of thousands of pounds of the public's money on unnecessary expenditure in recent times; such as approximately £500k to get rid of David Clarke. They have been spending money as if it has been going out of fashion; very un-Tory like. I would presume that your statement, referring to the councillors as being Tories or Lib Dems as being pure speculation. I would be interested to hear your reasoning behind the statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gafynandrew Posted December 8, 2010 Report Share Posted December 8, 2010 A bit late, but how about this alternative idea ... Instead of closing the secondary department at Scalloway and bussing 100+ pupils to the AHS each day, why not keep Scalloway open and bus 100+ pupils the other way, TO Scalloway. A bold idea, maybe, (and clearly there would be many details to thrash out) but on the face of it there are many of benefits: - Scalloway would stay open, which is what the community obviously wants, and would become more 'viable' in the long term (in terms of cost-per-pupil, and such like) - The overcrowding problems at the AHS would be reduced, perhaps leading to improved comfort/morale/etc - The transport costs are no higher than they are with the proposal that was voted through today - It might even allow the SIC to spend a lot less on the new AHS, which wouldn't need to be so big. Just an idea. I said something similar in an earlier post except my idea was a little more radical......Build the new school IN Scalloway....there's no want for ground on the existing site what with a large field on the west side of the school. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GypsyScy Posted December 8, 2010 Report Share Posted December 8, 2010 Local councillors have made their decision. 13 of them, unfortunately, chose not to listen to the community. However, the law gives us another chance. Scalloway Parent Council has already notified the government of our intention to request a call-in of this decision. There is no guarantee we will be successful but we feel that we have a very strong case. Individuals and community groups can also put in a request for a call-inemailschoolestate@scotland.gsi.gov.uk there is guidance at http://www.scotland.gov.uk/topics/education/schools/buildings/changestoschoolestateon what constitutes a reason for a call in Basically, if you think that you have a reason for a call-in, but you are not sure, I would suggest that you send in your comments and let the Scottish Government officials decide if it is a valid reason or not. Now that the decision-making has moved on to the national stage. We can request support from MSPs. We have an MSP representing Shetland and don't forget the Regional MSPs, all their contact details are listed below. So if you are feeling angry or dejected or frustrated about what has happened this week, please email or write to one or all of the following and ask them for their support in securing a call-in of the decision on the school.Tavish Scott MSP171 Commercial StreetLerwickShetlandZE1 0HX Parliament:Tavish Scott MSPThe Scottish Parliament Edinburgh EH99 1SP Telephone: 01595 690044Text Relay calls welcomeFax: 01595 690055 Telephone: 0131 348 5815 Fax: 0131 348 5807 Parliament Office E-mail: Tavish.Scott.msp@scottish.parliament.uk Constituency Office E-mail: tscott@supanet.com Regional Office:Rob Gibson MSP4 Grant StreetWickCaithnessKW1 5AY Parliament:Rob Gibson MSPThe Scottish Parliament Edinburgh EH99 1SP Telephone: 01955 605016Text Relay calls welcomeFax: 01955 604963 Telephone: 0131 348 5725 Fax: 0131 348 5943 Parliament Office E-mail: Rob.Gibson.msp@scottish.parliament.uk Regional Office E-mail: niall.macdonald@scottish.parliament.uk Regional Office:Rhoda Grant MSPQueensgate Business Centre1-3 Fraser StreetInvernessIV1 1DW Parliament:Rhoda Grant MSPThe Scottish Parliament Edinburgh EH99 1SP Telephone: 01463 716299Text Relay calls welcomeFax: 01463 716572 Fax: 0131 348 5767 Parliament Office E-mail: Rhoda.Grant.msp@scottish.parliament.uk Regional Office:Jamie McGrigor MSP61 Chalmers StreetArdrishaigArgyllPA30 8DX Parliament:Jamie McGrigor MSPThe Scottish Parliament Edinburgh EH99 1SP Telephone: 01546 606586Text Relay calls welcomeFax: 01546 605387Telephone: 0131 348 5616 Fax: 0131 348 5656 Parliament Office E-mail: Jamie.Mcgrigor.msp@scottish.parliament.uk Regional Office E-mail: douglas.pattullo@scottish.parliament.uk Regional Office:Peter Peacock MSPHighlands & Islands Labour MSPs' OfficePO Box 5717InvernessIV1 1YT Parliament:Peter Peacock MSPThe Scottish Parliament Edinburgh EH99 1SP Telephone: 01463 716299Text Relay calls welcomeFax: 01463 716572 Telephone: 0131 348 5766 Fax: 0131 348 5767 Parliament Office E-mail: Peter.Peacock.msp@scottish.parliament.uk Regional Office:Mary Scanlon MSP14(a) Ardross StreetInvernessIV3 5NS Parliament:Mary Scanlon MSPThe Scottish Parliament Edinburgh EH99 1SP Telephone: 01463 241004Text Relay calls welcomeFax: 01463 241164 Telephone: 0131 348 5460 Fax: 0131 348 6673 Parliament Office E-mail: Mary.Scanlon.msp@scottish.parliament.uk Regional Office:David Stewart MSPHighlands and Islands MSPs OfficePO Box 5717InvernessIV1 1YT Parliament:David Stewart MSPThe Scottish Parliament Edinburgh EH99 1SP Telephone: 01463 716299Text Relay calls welcomeFax: 01463 716572 Telephone: 0131 348 5766 Fax: 0131 348 5767 Parliament Office E-mail: David.Stewart.msp@scottish.parliament.uk Regional Office:Dave Thompson MSPThorfin HouseBridgend Business ParkDingwallRoss-shireIV15 9SL Parliament:Dave Thompson MSPThe Scottish Parliament Edinburgh EH99 1SP Telephone: 01349 864701Text Relay calls welcomeFax: 01349 866327 Fax: 0131 348 5327 Parliament Office E-mail: Dave.Thompson.msp@scottish.parliament.uk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuckleJoannie Posted December 8, 2010 Report Share Posted December 8, 2010 I would presume that your statement, referring to the councillors as being Tories or Lib Dems as being pure speculation. I would be interested to hear your reasoning behind the statement. Gary Robinson stood as a Conservative candidate in the 1999 Scottish Parlaiment election Gussie Angus was part of the 1999 SIC LibDem administration Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAStewart Posted December 8, 2010 Report Share Posted December 8, 2010 I would presume that your statement, referring to the councillors as being Tories or Lib Dems as being pure speculation. I would be interested to hear your reasoning behind the statement. Gary Robinson stood as a Conservative candidate in the 1999 Scottish Parlaiment election Gussie Angus was part of the 1999 SIC LibDem administration Yes and I used to have socialist beliefs. Change can happen. In all honesty, the majority of people who have spoken to me about the SCY school are in favour of it being closed. I think I've spoken to a total of two people who are against it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulb Posted December 8, 2010 Report Share Posted December 8, 2010 and we can all guess were they were from. so if the story is true in the times. sixty extra teachers will get the sack to fund the new school. how is that going to improve education for the kid outwith lerwick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kittybee Posted December 8, 2010 Report Share Posted December 8, 2010 (** THE FOLLOWING WAS COPIED FROM THE SHETLAND NEWS WEBSITE THIS EVENING**) AHS worries SHETLAND Islands Council might not be able to fulfil its legal obligations on education due to the way the new Anderson High School is to be funded. If Shetland Charitable Trust invests up to £50 million building the new high school at Lower Staney Hill, the SIC’s schools service would have to pay a lease of around £3 million per year from its revenue account. SIC head of schools Helen Budge said that expenditure would be “the equivalent of a reduction of another 60 teachers (in addition to that already agreed by the education blueprint)â€. She warned: “At that staffing level, there would be concerns that the authority could continue to meet its legal obligations, without another fundamental review and radical reduction to the current level of provision.†(**COPIED FROM THE SHETLAND NEWS WEBSITE**) This is interesting after the council deciding to close scalloway eh? lets all have a vote on what we think they will do to shetlands smaller communities now..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wagon Wheel Posted December 8, 2010 Report Share Posted December 8, 2010 The above post AHS worries would be better as a new topic, then anybody in favour of closing SJHS might actually read it.We have been trying to tell people this for months but they all thought if SJHS closes it will be ok. So how many more schools have to close in order to build the new AHS (Angus High School)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted December 9, 2010 Report Share Posted December 9, 2010 So the masterplan is now taking shape. I wonder how many of the constituants of the ward where Councilors voted to close Scalloway are now worried about their own schools. This is whats considered a consultation apparently. J A Stewart, I am someone who fully understands the need to address the spending on education but I am afraid this is just cop out. If the Council are serious about making cuts explain the money the will throw at other projects ower the scord. So far the sums spent and future spends quoted are nothing short of shocking. Scalloway is an easy target for Councillors who will now say they tried, even though their actions will achieve nothing. Scalloway and its surrounding communities are expected to accept this while money gets thrown at luxuries elsewhere. From the outside its easy to see only bricks and motar, from inside the community the school is a beating heart. Over the years many of its staff have contriuted so much to shaping our lives and not ony in the classroom. I could provide a long list of staff who made huge contribution to the community outwith school hours. Even the most toonie of toonies could surely understand why the people effected are livid. We have spent the last ten years reading about the condition of the AHS, now one of the newest and statistacally best schools is to be closed. Why couldnt they do it when the new 50 million Angussie High School is actually built. From this side of the hills the whole thing reeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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