Urabug Posted August 31, 2015 Report Share Posted August 31, 2015 Probably few more independant than myself but unfortunately require the assistance of the professionals from time to time. Thankfully when assistance is required there so far has always been someone to help . If anyone is lucky enough to get through life without help they must be unique. We all rely on someone, the bread does not go on the shop shelf by its self. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George. Posted August 31, 2015 Report Share Posted August 31, 2015 (edited) Probably few more independant than myself but unfortunately require the assistance of the professionals from time to time. Thankfully when assistance is required there so far has always been someone to help . If anyone is lucky enough to get through life without help they must be unique. We all rely on someone, the bread does not go on the shop shelf by its self. And the relevant point is.... Edited August 31, 2015 by George. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostrider Posted August 31, 2015 Report Share Posted August 31, 2015 (edited) @ Urabug: Nothing against professionals per se, its who pulls their strings and the legions of pretend "professionals" out there who are nothing more than pointless paper shufflers and seat polishers that are the problem. That said, if I have to go through a Spanish Inquisition and have to reveal everything from my inside leg measurement to my favourite colour to access professional services, its no contest. I'll either take my business eleswhere, or take my chances without. The bread on the shelf needs to know nothing except whether I can produce the demanded price, and the day the bread needs to know more about me than that, I'll eat cake instead. That's business. If you want to go through life with so much info about you in public hands that any numpty hiding behind a fancy job title in an otherwise non-job can fu*k you over and destroy your life, either just because they can, or through pure stupidity and ignorance, that's up to you. Personally having only just barely escaped with my life once I'm not risking going anywhere near that road again. A terrorist waving a rifle is an honest enemy, (s)he'll point the gun at you, look you in the eye, and squeeze the trigger. A suit hiding behind a desk repeatedly assuring everyone they are there to "help" while either being an entire incompetent, or on a mission to use whatever they can lay their hands on to pressure you to "get with the program" and lead the life they are convinced everyone should lead, regardless you are perfectly happy and harming nothing or no-one in the one you've chosen for yourself, is a despicable and cowardly enemy. People who will come sneaking around your house in the evening, accost a visitor on your doorstep, and divulge to them any amount of (supposedly) private and confidential information about you, and do it loudly enough anyone else within 25 metres will hear enough to get the gist as well. The kind of people who will contact your relatives and discuss the same (supposedly) private and confidential information with, and make unfounded allegations against you, the kind of folk who will make unfounded allegations against your acquaintences, just because they are your acquaintences, the kind of folk if you call them out on their bull and antics immediately resort to attempting to gaslight you. These kinds of people are endemic in public "help" services, and it is directly in to their hands one way or another all the personal information you willingly give up flows. Perhaps you are indeed the "model citizen" in their eyes and don't come anywhere near their radar, however the definition of "model citizen" is fluid, and maybe someday through no fault of your own their status of you my change (all things being equal you will get to be old, you may not believe you "need" assistance with your care, the people who are there to "help" may have very different ideas - the very best of luck fighting for what you want, you'll need it), then don't say you weren't warned when it all comes crashing down in spades because they know you better than you do. Edited August 31, 2015 by Ghostrider Suffererof1crankymofo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Posted August 31, 2015 Report Share Posted August 31, 2015 Urabug wants to live in East Germany.. Some one tell him that the people rebelled and that the wall came down (1989) some time ago.. One of the few options he/she has left is North Korea.. Suffererof1crankymofo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urabug Posted August 31, 2015 Report Share Posted August 31, 2015 With thousands of immigrants/migrants entering this country do we, or will be able to monitor them all or even those who are here already. After the Glasgow airport,and other recent attacks who can we trust. I hae me doots if we have enough surveillance with all the cuts that been done to our defences We are not looking and listening for planes anymore but for folk with hidden bombs. Only by watching and listening can we gain enough intellegence to prevent this. Do we have enough eyes and ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostrider Posted August 31, 2015 Report Share Posted August 31, 2015 (edited) ^ How many bombs did the IRA set off in the UK in the 60's-80's, how many folk did they kill and wound? How many "terrorist" bombs have been set the UK this Millenium, how many folk have they killed and wounded? Lets have a little persective here, not red top frenzy fuelled paranoia and panic. This isn't Beiruit, or the West Bank, or anywhere else in the Middle East, we have a few folk knocking around with designs on making an occasional bang here and there, pretty much same as we've always done right back to Guy Fawkes if not earlier. Business as usual, but only with some trusting folk wound up by media outlet getting bums on seats and a gormless Government letting it slip as there's no benefit in it for them to inform the public reality is otherwise. Edited August 31, 2015 by Ghostrider George. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suffererof1crankymofo Posted August 31, 2015 Report Share Posted August 31, 2015 Only by watching and listening can we gain enough intellegence to prevent this. Do we have enough eyes and ears. FFS, don't anyone mention WMD. George. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whalsa Posted September 1, 2015 Report Share Posted September 1, 2015 I certainly would not expect any Tom,Dick or Harry, and lets not forget the females to be involved without proper training and the necessary credentials.Plenty of professional folk who would probably take up the challenge. Plenty of folk probably would take up the challenge. The same type of folk who make up a contingent of every police force, security staff, door staff and any other position which gives people some personal power which they can wield in order to inconvenience others and make their "authority" felt. We have enough of these interfering jobs-worths in society as it is without adding legions more of them. Counter-terrorism is as important as its ever been but it is no justification for implementing the policies of a police state! George. and Suffererof1crankymofo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George. Posted September 1, 2015 Report Share Posted September 1, 2015 Only by watching and listening can we gain enough intellegence to prevent this. Do we have enough eyes and ears. @Urabug, you certainly come over as the man for the job. Willing to do all the watching and listening of the people around you and within sight when using a great big pair of binoculars, hiding behind your front window with the curtains closed so that nobody can see what you're up to (this time), and certainly prepared to report back to Big Brother anything and everything that you've either seen, think you should have seen or possibly would have liked to have seen, regardless of whether it actually happened or not. There's a person like that on every street. We all know who they are and we steer clear of them for two reasons; We don't want utterly false stories being told about ourselves or our friends and neighbours, and we certainly don't want to destroy ourselves socially by being seen talking to them. Suffererof1crankymofo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urabug Posted November 18, 2015 Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 In view of the recent terrorism activity in France,I'm now convinced the previous points I made in this forum stand good. I was thinking that I had exaggerated,but now I'm sure I have not. Certainly feel for all those affected by the recent terrorist attacks, it could have been any of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Posted November 18, 2015 Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 There is a solution that does not involve surveilance. It's not very PC but, I'm damned sure it would work.. The government and no amout of "spying" can properly protect us and, we shouldn't think that it can but, there is a solution that does not involve surveilance. It's not very PC but, I'm damned sure it would work.. Give us back our guns.. That way, at least, we would have a fighting chance rather than being slaughtered like sheep because of some nutters convictions(?). PS.. Wrong thread to ask on but, seeing as (at least) one of the "terrorists" guilty of the atrocities in Paris recently waded ashore in Greece, does anyone STILL want to take Syrian (or any other) refugees into their homes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian.smith Posted November 18, 2015 Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 There is a solution that does not involve surveilance. It's not very PC but, I'm damned sure it would work.. The government and no amout of "spying" can properly protect us and, we shouldn't think that it can but, there is a solution that does not involve surveilance. It's not very PC but, I'm damned sure it would work.. Give us back our guns.. That way, at least, we would have a fighting chance rather than being slaughtered like sheep because of some nutters convictions(?). PS.. Wrong thread to ask on but, seeing as (at least) one of the "terrorists" guilty of the atrocities in Paris recently waded ashore in Greece, does anyone STILL want to take Syrian (or any other) refugees into their homes?Oh Dear shame on you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rasmie Posted November 18, 2015 Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 Give us back our guns..Well it seems to work for the Americans.Stops innocent people getting killed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suffererof1crankymofo Posted November 18, 2015 Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 It's just quite incredible that despite bodies being blown to smithereens somehow, quite miraculously, passports remained intact ... world trade centre and now Paris. brian.smith 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian.smith Posted November 18, 2015 Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 It's just quite incredible that despite bodies being blown to smithereens somehow, quite miraculously, passports remained intact ... world trade centre and now Paris.exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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