voicebox Posted November 15, 2011 Report Share Posted November 15, 2011 I'm definitely gonna give this a go. I injured my ribs earlier in the year and for few weeks could only get comfortable to sleep sitting up, yet I was sure I felt more refreshed despite being (obviously) sore. Great thread. Any little tip that improves wellbeing is a gem. Spinner 72, can you let me know how you get on with the inclined bed as I would love to put some testimonials on my health page. Apparently cattle and sheep will sleep on an incline if they can. Just added this: Baboons and other primate’s sleep in anything but a horizontal position in the branches of trees in order to avoid predators. Cattle and sheep, when given a choice all sleep facing uphill. Birds sleep standing in an upright position, Emperor penguins, for instance, are able to withstand the harsh conditions of Antarctica's winter as they huddle together in an upright posture for several months without food, while awaiting the return of their spouse’s. The eggs, which they incubate, are maintained at a temperature near to that of our own body temperature. Clearly then the metabolic rate that maintains our own and every other creatures body temperature is linked, in some way, to the force of gravity, but how?...http://www.mindpowernews.com/GravityAndHealth.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unlinkedstudent Posted November 16, 2011 Report Share Posted November 16, 2011 Great idea to open this thread. I advocate the raising of the head end of the bed by 4 inches for 2 months increasing to 6 inches thereafter... Some people go to 8 inches in the end. Many people have had chronic illnesses reverse using this simple technique, arthritis being one of them, lowering blood pressure, relief of night time urination etc...I mentioned it to a person who tried it and he no longer has to get up several times in the night to pee, he feels much better for it all round... Stone me, I have an incurable form of arthritis yet you are claiming you can cure me? Many people? TBH, I DETEST claims such as the one you describe; in fact, without knowing the full medical history of a person, such advice can be downright (if you pardon the pun) dangerous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shetlandpeat Posted November 16, 2011 Report Share Posted November 16, 2011 Sorry, but did not see cure in that quote. Easy bandwaggon to jump on. So many folk on it it trundles along. I read it as reverse not cure.Even if there is no proof that you may call tangible, it will help folks because they think it may. The poster DOES NOT advocate it as an alternative, I am sure.I am sure if you cannot get on with the elevated bit, you put it back. As we should know at our age, not all cures are suitable, the doctor will tell you that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unlinkedstudent Posted November 16, 2011 Report Share Posted November 16, 2011 Sorry, but did not see cure in that quote. Easy bandwaggon to jump on. So many folk on it it trundles along. I read it as reverse not cure.Even if there is no proof that you may call tangible, it will help folks because they think it may. The poster DOES NOT advocate it as an alternative, I am sure.I am sure if you cannot get on with the elevated bit, you put it back. As we should know at our age, not all cures are suitable, the doctor will tell you that. Hang on a sec SP - blimey, talk about being pedantic - and at this ungodly hour of the morning too - relieving symptoms is one thing but surely reverse equates cure? Perhaps the original poster can shed some light and provide statistics as to how many have had 'reversals'. Many chronic diseases, including one I suffer from, go through natural periods of being 'quiet'. These periods may be months or even years but then whack, they DO come back. Now unless the original poster can illustrate that, for example, s/he has turned off the gene that feeds my auto-immune disorder resulting in psoriatic arthritis, then I for one will not experience a reversal. Likewise, whilst somebody may have natural wear and tear of say the discs in their neck/back, some symptomatic relief may be experienced but the bone density cannot surely increase by tilting a bed? Yep, I'm cranky. Yep, I'm in pain. Give me an hour or two for the nicotine/caffeine levels to rise and I may not be such a pain! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
breeksy Posted November 16, 2011 Report Share Posted November 16, 2011 Of course reverse does not equal cure. If that was the case, any time you had to reverse your car you would end up back where you started! It means that the symptoms show an improvement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unlinkedstudent Posted November 16, 2011 Report Share Posted November 16, 2011 So you are reversing a chronic illness to what precisely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
voicebox Posted November 16, 2011 Report Share Posted November 16, 2011 Stone me, I have an incurable form of arthritis yet you are claiming you can cure me? Many people? TBH, I DETEST claims such as the one you describe; in fact, without knowing the full medical history of a person, such advice can be downright (if you pardon the pun) dangerous. I never said it definitely cured disease and most sensible people know to check with doc if not sure but the testimonials are the only evidence I have. My testimony being one of them, another is a fellow resident who has now increased his bed elevation to 8 inches! (and that's not just because now he can see out his bedroom window!) His nights sleep is not longer interrupted by having to get up and pee, and it relieved a trapped nerve in his neck which no conventional doctor or specialist could do. There are no drugs involved in trying this method, you start at a 2 inch inline for a couple of months, then to 4, then 6... Why not at least try it? Have you been on Andrew Fletchers site for more evidence of this improving people's lives? No-one is saying it will help you, you just have to try it? Gosh, wouldn't it be great if it did help you! http://inclinedbedtherapy.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=49&Itemid=28 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
breeksy Posted November 16, 2011 Report Share Posted November 16, 2011 So you are reversing a chronic illness to what precisely? I assume it is poorly worded, and they mean a reversal of the symptoms. But I could be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unlinkedstudent Posted November 16, 2011 Report Share Posted November 16, 2011 I never said it definitely cured disease and most sensible people know to check with doc if not sure but the testimonials are the only evidence I have. My testimony being one of them, another is a fellow resident who has now increased his bed elevation to 8 inches! (and that's not just because now he can see out his bedroom window!) His nights sleep is not longer interrupted by having to get up and pee, and it relieved a trapped nerve in his neck which no conventional doctor or specialist could do. There are no drugs involved in trying this method, you start at a 2 inch inline for a couple of months, then to 4, then 6... Why not at least try it? Have you been on Andrew Fletchers site for more evidence of this improving people's lives? No-one is saying it will help you, you just have to try it? Gosh, wouldn't it be great if it did help you! You really aren't grasping this, are you? Might I respectfully suggest you go back and read your original post. You didn't say that many have had the symptons of their chronic illness lessen, nor if my memory serves me correctly did you advocate checking with GP (although I hasten to add I've had more luck with an osteopath than a GP/hospital consultant). Whilst I am a person who would check, some people believe and are gullible enough to believe EVERYTHING on the web. Oh marvellous, wouldn't it be great if it did help you - it WOULDN'T. I don't just have to bleeding well try it; years ago I spoke to both conventional and alternative experts regarding the old flip you upside down do-dah and other 'cures'. I take it you'd be absolutely delighted if it caused me injury or worsened my situation (not)? Fantastic, it worked for you - how much of that was 'mind over matter'? Be honest, you don't know. So where are the statistics? Clinical trials? Hell yes, many of us know that statistics can be massaged but come on, where's the independent data? Yes, and before you say it, I did have a look (albeit brief) at AF's site. For the record, I'm not against alternative therapies but you've probably gathered by now that I do take offence to wild claims of success with little or no substance. Many people with chronic conditions are vulnerable and yes, I'm probably sounding somewhat vicious but this is not a personal attack; however, it is a total dig at unsubstantiated claims. Reverse - literal or metaphorical meaning? To me, you'd go back to how you were before your condition existed or lessen it to such an extent that it was no longer chronic. That said, I have attempted to clarify that with many chronic conditions, there is no cure as much is dictated to by the use of genes that cannot be turned off and hence whilst temporary relief may be found (but not forever), the underlying chronic condition remains. Yes, you've found a 'wonder cure' and great, it is helping you (at present) but I feel as if I'm being a tad patronised and 'persuaded' that I should try something that others, more qualified, have advised against. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
voicebox Posted November 16, 2011 Report Share Posted November 16, 2011 @unlinked student I meant no harm. Can I suggest that we leave it at that? I'm not trying to make you do anything, indeed, I have no power given to me to do that. Nothing I say to you is going to help....I know what I know from experience and so do others. If anyone else does try this method and does get relief or lessening from any symptoms I would love to hear from you and indeed I know that Andrew Fletcher himself has now devoted his life to this cause, with no monetary payment to be gained, and would also love to hear how people's lives are being changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohanofNess Posted November 16, 2011 Report Share Posted November 16, 2011 voicebox pay no attention and for the love of god don't say posties do a good job either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
voicebox Posted November 16, 2011 Report Share Posted November 16, 2011 voicebox pay no attention and for the love of god don't say posties do a good job either Wouldn't dare! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unlinkedstudent Posted November 16, 2011 Report Share Posted November 16, 2011 voicebox pay no attention and for the love of god don't say posties do a good job either Some posties do an excellent job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unlinkedstudent Posted November 16, 2011 Report Share Posted November 16, 2011 @unlinked student I meant no harm. Can I suggest that we leave it at that? I'm not trying to make you do anything, indeed, I have no power given to me to do that. Nothing I say to you is going to help....I know what I know from experience and so do others. If anyone else does try this method and does get relief or lessening from any symptoms I would love to hear from you and indeed I know that Andrew Fletcher himself has now devoted his life to this cause, with no monetary payment to be gained, and would also love to hear how people's lives are being changed. I appreciate you meant no harm. From your links, I can appreciate the benefits of drinking water and coconut water. You just happened to touch a raw nerve with me - when I first diagnosed, I would almost have tried anything to relieve the pain. Err even I ain't gonna start on the not wanting to pee in the night bit though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
voicebox Posted November 16, 2011 Report Share Posted November 16, 2011 I appreciate you meant no harm. From your links, I can appreciate the benefits of drinking water and coconut water. You just happened to touch a raw nerve with me - when I first diagnosed, I would almost have tried anything to relieve the pain. Err even I ain't gonna start on the not wanting to pee in the night bit though. Hey, no problem unlinkedstudent! I understand! I'm very fortunate to not be in pain all the time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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