Fjool Posted February 24, 2011 Report Share Posted February 24, 2011 This is one of the things I truley dislike about Shetlink. This is NOT "Shetland News". It is "Shetland Rumours".The rumour existed prior to being mentioned on Shetlink. Better to have it here where the rumour can be comprehensively quashed, no? And just look at the number of folk saying positive things about Clive's? Pretty good advertising. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Njugle Posted February 24, 2011 Report Share Posted February 24, 2011 I've edited the title to a more neutral theme - so's people not reading all the thread content don't jump to conclusions and spread unsubstantiated rumours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siccar Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 Well done . No afore time Nyugle.(but I am da blyde du did it) Well said MayMay. Long live Clives. And for aa da dungheads dat have no idea but ta post your well thought oot opinions, you ir da big ahint yir computers and you impress me no end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl Patrick Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 I've spent shed loads of cash in Clive's, going right back to the days when he sold second hand stuff from that tiny wee shop opposite the Lodberrie. And Davie's right, his prices were at one point really competitive. Coupled with the tasteful selections of obscurities and the sheer breadth of music on offer, Clive's was one THE great UK record shops. But the sad fact is that Clive's is now one of the last independent record shops. They've disappeared. If you're committed to music, if you're a serious fan, and especially if you live remotely, you now have Spotify Premium, you have iTunes, you have Bleep, Bandcamp and - for the brief interim period when we're actually still buying hard copies of digital information - Amazon and Indigo and Play.com. And that takes in DVDs and games, too. For the majority of consumers, music is a whisker away from being a completely online, mobile, almost free phenomenon. Once the fibreoptics are up and running here we won't need Blu-Ray or DVDs. Everything will be coming down that digital pipe. Or to our phones/tablets. And, Davie, I think you'd admit that musicians who depend on CDs are drinking in the last chance saloon, most now accepting that their money in the future will come from live shows and associated merchandise sales. But. Fans will always want a souvenir. Committed fans will always want the best. They will want cover art and lyric sheets and other goodies. And so there will forever be a market for high-quality, luxurious sonic souvenirs of the band you love. For that, there's nothing better than vinyl. One of my sons is thinking of buying the £33 luxury vinyl package of the new Radiohead album. Even though he doesn't have a record player. On the other hand, technophobes, late adopters and the elderly are going to want a sound format they can understand. Which is why Tesco is full of all those Sinatra compilations, and £1.99 Kinks/Stranglers/Sinatra/Buzzcocks/Val Doonican Greatest Hits. I've had this conversation with Clive. I told him I thought there were fantastic online niches available for someone selling rare vinyl, souvenir, limited edition box sets, curated, recommended downloads, and merchandise of every sort. But that, sadly, the days of the record shops we loved and once lived for are over. Google 'Lefsetz Letter' for the cutting edge music industry thinking on this. Does Tom Morton believe it is acceptable to place posts under the same name where he acts as an official council spokesperson, then publicly post the advice he has given to a local business. I would have thought it could be viewed as a sackable offence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostrider Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 ^^ Then why haven't all councillors been sacked years ago? They've been at the same game for decades, one minute they're talking as councillors, the next the same name and face is talking as an SCT trustee, or a SDT trustee, or whatever. A tad of hypocracy would be creeping in I would think if SIC staff are sacked for saying something one minute as an employee, and the next as Joe Public, but using the same name for both, when their big bosses have all been at it for several councils back. Whits guid fur da gus, canna be ill fur da geynnir, and aw dat.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malachy Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 Does Tom Morton believe it is acceptable to place posts under the same name where he acts as an official council spokesperson, then publicly post the advice he has given to a local business. I would have thought it could be viewed as a sackable offence. Er, I don't really understand exactly he's being criticised for here. Tom's using two different accounts, one for his council work ('SICcomms', I think) and one ('Etterscab') for his personal posts. Are people who work for the council not allowed to post on Shetlink in their own time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuckleJoannie Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 I understand Tom Morton is an advisor to the SIC, rather than an employee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
etterscab Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 'Etterscab' is Tom Morton - that would be me - in a personal capacity. 'SICcomms' would be Peter Peterson and Tom Morton, representing the nascent SIC communication project. I do apologise for accidentally getting my Etterscabs mixed up with my SICcomms in the case of one posting on the SICcomms thread - a slip of the trackpad. As someone involved in the music business professionally and engaged day by day in dealing with the issues raised by the digitisation of music, I was keen to contribute to the healthy discussion of topics raised in the 'Clive's' thread. And Malachy's right. I am a freelance advisor to the council, not an employee. Perhaps 'Ghostrider' and 'Earl Patrick' would care to clarify or confirm their own 'real' identities? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulb Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 i thought outing people was not allowed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl Patrick Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 'Etterscab' is Tom Morton - that would be me - in a personal capacity. 'SICcomms' would be Peter Peterson and Tom Morton, representing the nascent SIC communication project. I do apologise for accidentally getting my Etterscabs mixed up with my SICcomms in the case of one posting on the SICcomms thread - a slip of the trackpad. As someone involved in the music business professionally and engaged day by day in dealing with the issues raised by the digitisation of music, I was keen to contribute to the healthy discussion of topics raised in the 'Clive's' thread. And Malachy's right. I am a freelance advisor to the council, not an employee. Perhaps 'Ghostrider' and 'Earl Patrick' would care to clarify or confirm their own 'real' identities? Thank you for admitting your mistake. However, it was you who chose to walk down this very slippery track... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJ Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 I have a twelve year old who was horrified by this thread. Clives is a stop made every time she's in town. She has a really eclectic taste in music, which Clives is perfect for. There's nothing like the look on your child's face when then physically have that album in their hand and it's "their's", and then they come home and play it over and over and over and over...If only their shelves had more of the featured artists on SBTV she'd be a little happier. edit - "if they closed Clives I'd have to go to Tescos to get CDs and DVDs and games, it's WRONG just WRONG" random rant from 12year old as she gets ready for town Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anorthernsoul Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 Well the rumours appear to be true, Clive has announced on Facebook that he is discounting all his stock and that the premises are for sale, although he is hoping to keep the business going in a smaller and more specialised capacity. Always looked to be on the cards after Tesco's expanded, but still really sad to hear it officially. There's not much i can add to what people have already said about Clive's and the level of service he provided for music buyers in Shetland, the shop truly was one of the best independant record stores in the country and Clive one of the most knowledgable music retailers you will ever meet. I hope he can succesfully downscale the business and carry on in a more specialised capacity, perhaps even bringing in second hand stock again, as i'm sure there is still demand for this type of business in Shetland. Whatever happens, I wish Clive the best of luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ISOT Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 That is bloody demoralising! Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetsmucks Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 Really vexed to hear aboot Clives. Da street just willna be da sam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shetland_boys Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 I used to buy from clives untill i discovered the internet do everything at almost half the price or less and free delivery, tescos has nothing to do with it, i think people should stop blaming tescos and blame the shops for charging crazy prices . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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