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Whatever you do, do not ignore the census. You may get a £1,000 fine and a criminal record if you do not.

 

I filled mine out, but I answered every question with “THAT IS PRIVATE. I RESERVE MY RIGHT TO PRIVACYâ€. This will comply with the legalities of the event.

 

The reason that I have so much objections to this, is that apart from the fact that it is a waste of public money, the motives behind the census are not as innocent as the advertisements make out. Lockheed Martin are carrying out the UK census, with one of their subsidiary companies taking on the Scottish census. So, both the corporation and the government have bad track records when it comes to protecting our data. I am not going to preach about the moralities of an arms trader being the sponsor, but I for one am totally against the existence and unethical nature of such a beast.

 

The information is stored “confidentially†for 100 years. However, these files can be accessed by any government organisation, including the police. This is in addition to the fact that such information has previously been 'misplaced'.

 

You will get the usual people stating that they have nothing to hide, so they just give in and put their details in a vulnerable position. But, if you are capable of asking yourself the question as to why you should fill in such a document then I am sure you will come to a conclusion of not to have your human rights impinged upon. Afterall, why should you?

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Whatever you do, do not ignore the census. You may get a £1,000 fine and a criminal record if you do not.

 

I filled mine out, but I answered every question with “THAT IS PRIVATE. I RESERVE MY RIGHT TO PRIVACYâ€. This will comply with the legalities of the event. ...

 

I have telephoned the helpline as a couple of the options on the form would not allow me to answer the questions truthfully and accurately thus giving meaningless results if I chose certain options. I also queried why they wanted to know how many hours I worked.

 

The helpline advised me to write with any queries to:-

 

Census PSO

Room 2/3/1

The General Registrar of Scotland

Ladywell House

Ladywell Road

Edinburgh

EH2 7TF

 

So I'm filling in part of the form and will await their response before completing the rest.

 

I did, however, ask in regard to the hours worked question if I wrote "private" whether or not that would meet my legal obligation. The helpline said only the PSO would be able to answer that.

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Filling in the form with the ‘private’ statement will meet all obligations, any solicitor will confirm that. Nevertheless, there are lots of people who just simply aren’t going to return the form because at no point have we entered into a two party contract with the government stating that we consent to the census, thus making the £1,000 fine totally unlawful. Hence the governement's wordage of "may" be liable for a £1,000 fine. I "may" be going to the moon next week.... same idea.

 

I have given the advice to my friends and workmates, and would not be publicising it if there was the slightest chance of getting people into trouble. This conclusion has been made through extensive research and legal advice where needed. However, I am not telling you what to do, I am merely pointing out that people have a choice.

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Filling in the form with the ‘private’ statement will meet all obligations, any solicitor will confirm that. Nevertheless, there are lots of people who just simply aren’t going to return the form because at no point have we entered into a two party contract with the government stating that we consent to the census, thus making the £1,000 fine totally unlawful. Hence the governement's wordage of "may" be liable for a £1,000 fine. I "may" be going to the moon next week.... same idea.

 

I have given the advice to my friends and workmates, and would not be publicising it if there was the slightest chance of getting people into trouble. This conclusion has been made through extensive research and legal advice where needed. However, I am not telling you what to do, I am merely pointing out that people have a choice.

 

The Census (Scotland) Regulations 2010 are statute. I take it then that you are reliant upon the argument of Shetland not being part of Scotland?

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The Census (Scotland) Regulations 2010 are statute. I take it then that you are reliant upon the argument of Shetland not being part of Scotland?

Politically_Right, appears to be politically_wrong in this..

His extensive research and the legal advice garnered (where it was required) does not stand up..

Never mind - when someone looks at the 2011 Census results 100 years from now, I wonder if they will think, what became of that Conspiracy Theorist :roll:

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No, I haven’t spoken to any Shetlander who has decided not to fill it in based on the argument of Shetland not being in Scotland (I no longer live in Shetland). There was an estimated 3 million (UK-wide) people who didn’t complete the last census based on the fact that the census isn’t lawfully binding. I would guess that number would be significantly higher this time round. Legalities aside, the sheer admin of taking millions of people to task based on something that has no underlying legal reason for compliance, means that that scenario will never happen.

 

I chose not to take that risk (however small), hence the reason I filled mine in but kept all of my details private, which is actually part of our rights. I work in commercial and contract Law and take an active interest in human rights issues (although not my specialty).

 

I am assuming that Icepick239’s name calling (i.e. Pintil and Conspiracy Theorist) are here to provoke some sort of adolescent argument. Sorry to disappoint you, but I don’t subscribe to that whatsoever. I am only offering advice to people who are interested in it. If you do have a critical synopsis of some value then please share your wisdom.

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I chose not to take that risk (however small), hence the reason I filled mine in but kept all of my details private, which is actually part of our rights. I work in commercial and contract Law and take an active interest in human rights issues (although not my specialty).

 

Then I am even more amazed if you are a Solicitor registered with the Law Society of England & Wales that you are providing advice on a forum. No doubt you are aware that Solicitors are not permitted to advise anyone without them being paid clients as this would be a breach of conduct!

 

Edit: Or the Scottish Law Society

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^ In my previous post, I was going to ask if Politically_Right was a student studying law. (I had noted his/her location as 'previously Whalsay')

But it's worse than i thought, as it now appears he/she is a qualified lawyer, specialising in Commercial and Contract law, but dispensing advice to friends and co-workers, involving an area he/she probably knows damn all about.

As for name calling, who says I am wrong, but I will maybe have to take some others advice on that.

As for trying to start an 'adolescent' arguement, thank you, that could take years off of me. :lol:

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Why is it each census brings out a flood of folk who decide they need to make some sort of political, religious or civil rights protest? :roll:
Simply because some people do believe that various government initiatives, including the census, infringe on what they consider to be matters of personal privacy. And while there is a reasonable case for some of the information having statistical uses they feel that although it is fine to ask for statistical information privately demanding such information tied to their name and address is an invasion of privacy.

 

Take, for example, the question about how well we all understand, speak, read or write English, Scottish Gaelic and Scots. There may well be some use for the statistics in forming future education policy but why does the government need to know how well, or otherwise, I use these languages.

 

Of course the whole thing is seriously flawed anyway. Somehow I doubt that many illegal immigrants are going to fill in the form and the homeless, as in those sleeping in cardboard boxes in our inner cities, may not even get a form to complete. Then there are going to be plenty of people getting confused about the census. Bound to be those who do not include children because they are too young to vote and some dear little old ladies who include all their cats because to them cats are people.

 

Then their is the cost. Closing schools all over the country to save money and spending a fortune on a census seems a bit odd especially if the profits from the census then go wandering across the Atlantic.

 

So no wonder their are people complaining. In fact I have a complaint. Was all set to fill in the form with a pen that had run out of ink on the grounds that the law might (or might not) demand that I fill in the thing but somehow the government forgot to send me a pen and I did not see why I should use my ink. Then a friend pointed out that I could do it on-line and, since I had a bit of bandwidth remaining from this months allocation, I did so but only after my friend pointed out that I could not complain about the electricity used as my computer is on all day anyhow.

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