JustMe Posted April 16, 2011 Report Share Posted April 16, 2011 Between Lochside and the Knab it makes a lot more sense to close the Lochside toilets. After all Clickimin is nearby and has lots of toilets while people using the Knab for recreation or indeed visiting the cemetery do not have another convenient convenience to use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Posted April 16, 2011 Report Share Posted April 16, 2011 The one that needs sacking is whoever it was in "Cleansing", or whatever office is responsible for public crappers and sundry associated facilities these days, that thought closing up a kharzi was possibly a good idea to put forward.The order comes down from the Council meeting - "Cut all budgets by 7%!", goes through the department heads to the folk in charge of individual budgets. The guy with the toilets budget has a look at how to save the 7% he has been told he has to do, and sends back his bit saying to do that you would have to shut a toilet. The councilors decide to go with the 7% savings and that they will shut the toilet...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAStewart Posted April 16, 2011 Report Share Posted April 16, 2011 Just use clickimin >.< Or Bolts shopping centerOr Tesco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Farkoff Posted April 16, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2011 I'm not sure that the staff at the leisure centre would be overly pleased about filth covered workmen soiling the floor with the detritus from wir boots several times a day. Havng said that, it could be an effective way to get the bogs re-opened, as I reckon they would get pretty peed off PDQ. Also it probably costs more to keep the carpets of the centre clean than the purpose built, wipe clean surfaces of the public toilets, leading to not much cash saving after all.Ghostrider makes an excellent point regarding laws and provision- they'd be quick enough to fine me should the lizard be drained round the back of the closed facility, but until they are re-opened, that's probably what will happen. Perhaps they could install a security camera to catch the varmints who pee on, rather than in the loos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankie Posted April 16, 2011 Report Share Posted April 16, 2011 The toilets at the clickimin have been shut, and I'm not very happy about it. When one is oot and aboot in the van, it is by far the most convenient, erm, convenience to use because of its ease of parking when said van has a trailer attached. : Meantime the toilet in the Gilbertson Park remains open. If true then another relatively straightforward place to park a van/trailer combo. Is there a problem with you using the Gibertson Park public toilets Baron Farkoff ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Farkoff Posted April 16, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2011 I've never come accross the Gilbertson park toilets, are they a bit less visible than the Clickimin ones? Do they have the facility to just roll up in a van and leap in and out, or is the parking a bit more involved? I ask mainly because in my line of work we rarely use Gilbertson road, but use the Lochside road a lot. Thanks for the tip,I shall investigate further... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostrider Posted April 16, 2011 Report Share Posted April 16, 2011 Point being missed here. Clickimin isn't a "council" facility per se, its a Recreational Trust one, and as such a different kind of "public service". I would imagine they would be within their rights to refuse casual use of their toilet facilities, and restrict them to service users only. They're there to provide the leisure facilities the building contains first and foremost, not to provide public conveniences, their toliet facilities are there for the convenience of users of their other core facilities and services. I bet there would have been an uproar had Clickimin not had toliets included in the build, on the grounds that the Clickimin public toilets were close by enough Clickimin users could use them, so why is the reverse not true. Who is responsible for the Gilbertson and the games hall? Are they not Recreational Trust facilities too? If so, the same argument applies. Tesco, Bolts, the Coop etc, are all private commercial enterprises and as such are definitely fully entitled to restrict admission and use of their facilities in any way they so please. Sorry, I don't buy the argument that the Lochside facility is the more logical one to close than the Knab one. I would argue that the number of people passing, and therefore the percentage using the Lochside one is several hundred percentage greater than the Knab one, so a far greater body of people are being discriminated against. As for there being no alternative facilities near the Knab one, that is bull. There's the school and hostel, which are semi-public buildings, with plenty of toilets, at least they are full blown council facilities, unlike any of the alternatives put forward for the Lochside one. And as making use of private commercial enterprise toilet facilities is deemed acceptable as an alternative, as per the Tesco, Bolts and Coop suggestions, then I'm sure there's toilet facilities in Glen Orchy, probably also ones in the Coastguard Station too, which is arguably a public building as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostrider Posted April 16, 2011 Report Share Posted April 16, 2011 The one that needs sacking is whoever it was in "Cleansing", or whatever office is responsible for public crappers and sundry associated facilities these days, that thought closing up a kharzi was possibly a good idea to put forward.The order comes down from the Council meeting - "Cut all budgets by 7%!", goes through the department heads to the folk in charge of individual budgets. The guy with the toilets budget has a look at how to save the 7% he has been told he has to do, and sends back his bit saying to do that you would have to shut a toilet. The councilors decide to go with the 7% savings and that they will shut the toilet...... He could have sent back "Stop providing paper and soap in all facilities", to show them how absurd a "one size fits all" policy is in public services. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Posted April 16, 2011 Report Share Posted April 16, 2011 If they wanted to make savings, why not just sack the man/woman who decided to close the toilets?The councilors? Well. that would be a start. A few years back someone from the relevant SIC department wanted Scalloway Hall to open as a public toilet during the tourist season. There was no mention (or chance of) any recompense towards the cost of provision, paper, soap, towels or cleaning.Bit of a non starter if they thought that they could offload their responsibilities so easily and I suspect that this will become the position taken by a number of local establishments. This all begs a number of questions though. Is there a legal requirement for local authorities to provide public toilets? As for peeing in a lane (or other 'out of sight' place) because the public toilets were closed or otherwise unavailable and, given that 'when you have to go, you HAVE to go', would a decent Human Rights lawyer be able to get you off (not in the biblical sense ). What would happen if you just stood in the middle of a street and wet yourself? Would you be fined for that? Would a taxi take you home with or without your trousers etc.? Would you be arrested for taking them off because they were wet? Would the guys who monitor our expensive security cameras be lifted as some kind of pervs for watching you pee yourself? Sod this, I'm going to the pub. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Posted April 16, 2011 Report Share Posted April 16, 2011 There's the school and hostel, which are semi-public buildings, with plenty of toilets, at least they are full blown council facilities, Apologies for being a little out of context with you posting but, I think that the general public would not be allowed to use those facilities unless someone had first done a background check to make sure it was 'safe' to allow them near to children. Having a couple at home apparently doesn't qualify you.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostrider Posted April 16, 2011 Report Share Posted April 16, 2011 ^^ Very probably true. I didn't post that as a suggestion for a realistic alternative, rather as an illustration of the unsuitability and inappropriateness of expecting any public or semi-public building to be expected to make their toilet facilities, which were intended for the convenience of legitimate users of that building only, available to all and sundry. If using Tesco, Bolts, Coop or Clickimin facilities is good enough for folk that would otherwise have used the Lochside facility, I cannot see why they don't close all the toilets. Users of the Knab facility can use the school, hostel, Glen Orchy and the Coastguard Station, and users of the Esplanade ones can use the Queens, Grand, Thule and whatever other cafe, shop etc on the street has them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMe Posted April 16, 2011 Report Share Posted April 16, 2011 Ghostrider wroteSorry, I don't buy the argument that the Lochside facility is the more logical one to close than the Knab one. I would argue that the number of people passing, and therefore the percentage using the Lochside one is several hundred percentage greater than the Knab one, so a far greater body of people are being discriminated against.Yes in strict numerical terms you are probably right but I would think that the majority of people passing the Lochside (in)convenience are either motorised so can easily make there way to alternative facilities or are going to/from the Co-op or Tesco which both offer facilities or are indeed heading for Clickimin. But I am kind of wondering if the Grantfield toilets would have been a more logical choice to close given their proximity to the Co-op and the Toll Clock. Meanwhile I think the lack of somewhere to legally pass water in the town centre after the pubs close should be made an election issue. There is an answer in that the council could and, in my opinion should, provide something as other towns and cities do and, if necessary, could "persuade" those pubs with late licences to contribute to the capital and running costs. I do recall that many years ago when I drove taxis for a living a number of customers would request a diversion via St. Olaf Street as in those days the toilets at the bowling green were not locked at night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest posiedon Posted April 16, 2011 Report Share Posted April 16, 2011 JustMeMeanwhile I think the lack of somewhere to legally pass water in the town centre after the pubs close should be made an election issue. Why would anybody need to pish in the street after closing time?Why can't folk just relieve themselves in the bogs where they have their last drink, then hold on till they get home? The answer is; don't wander up and down commercial St after the pubs shut, go home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gafynandrew Posted April 16, 2011 Report Share Posted April 16, 2011 Lol.....Who cares? Scalloway lost a school and Lerwick loses a toilet........???? Write to the Scottish Govt. and call in the decision. People are crying about losing a public toilet....... Get real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest posiedon Posted April 16, 2011 Report Share Posted April 16, 2011 Lol.....Who cares? Scalloway lost a school and Lerwick loses a toilet........???? Write to the Scottish Govt. and call in the decision. People are crying about losing a public toilet....... Get real.Yes that just about puts it in perspective. The town I originate from has around 37,000 inhabitants and ONE public toilet. All the public toilets in Shetland should be closed before the schools are even considered as an alternative way of saving money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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