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It is without question that she threw the floodgates wide open to greed selfishness and false truths , and that the policys of the time benefitted the booming local economy. Whether or not it enhanced local culture or not is very questionable. A Christian developed modern society ought not be judging the dead even if it is glad to see the back of her , its not the mortal that's the problem now , its the legacy

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It has been a long time coming. But worth the wait.

The "death" of Thatcher.

Long may we rejoice and celebrate the passing of the "Iron Lady" with the heart of stone.

Raise your glass and three cheers for the "Wicked Witch" is dead.

Long may she rot in hell.

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Nicked from facebook ..

 

People on this seem to have a very strange view of history.

 

So here are a few little nuggets with how and more specifically WHY a lot of industries were destroyed by her, and what's more, ...destroyed with the MANDATE OF THE BRITISH PEOPLE.

 

The seventies were blighted by the trade unions waiting for winter and then coming out on strike at it's heart. Holding the country to ransom for ANNUAL pay rises of up to 36% ABOVE inflation. This was the likes of Scargill and co. And they bled us dry. We were bankrupted by them. And then the Winter of Discontent happened. And they ALL came out. Miners, power workers, transport workers; even funeral directors, everything tied into the TGWU came out.

My own grandparents lay on a slab for 2 months waiting to be buried. The entire country was a ruin. Rubbish not collected for months, rats everywhere. And the unions laughed, and brought down Callaghan's Labour Government.

 

And Thatcher stood up at the General Election and made ONE SIMPLE PROMISE. Elect me. And THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN. ELECT ME AND I WILL DESTROY THEM. She won a landslide.

 

On that promise.And she became the last elected Prime Minister to actually hold true to her election promise. She did exactly what she said. She utterly destroyed the unions. Obliterated them. The cost was those industries. We knew that would be the price. But we would not allow them to hold us to ransom again. What she did, she did with our BLESSING. The socialists and people who backed those strikes have only themselves to blame for what happened. Baroness Thatcher didn't destroy those industries and communities for fun or as part of a class war. She did it to stop them holding the country to ransom again.

 

And then she held the purse strings tight and re-built the economy and the country and Britain again stood tall and thrived. And we won back the global respect we had lost while the left wing ruled. In the Falklands we were thankful for her being in office. Those of us who went 'south' in '82 did so knowing we had a leader who would not - and did not- interfere. She sent the military and allowed us to do our job. Gave us the money, the equipment and most of all THE FREEDOM to get the job done. Our lands had been invaded. We had a gun up our nose. SHE led us.

 

Frankly Thatcher took a very broken Britain by the hand like a strict old fashioned Matron and LED THE COUNTRY BACK TO WHERE IT HAD ONCE BEEN. We were the worlds 3rd major power in ALL respects. And as for the world, it has NEVER been safer than when Thatcher was in Downing Street, Reagan was in the White House and Gorbachev was in the Kremlin as the three spoke DAILY. They laid the ground for the fall of the Berlin Wall. The Russians were TERRIFIED of her. And the world again feared Britain. And lets not forget that she gave people the full right to buy their own council property. Her vision was that the TENNANT and the tennant alone could buy that property.

 

As soon as her party stabbed her in the back the feeding frenzy began as under her the famous Tory grandee greed was held in check. So they stabbed her, led by the europro traitor ponce Heseltine - who didn't have the guts to face her openly and alone - they arranged her removal. And we have been a broken patsy for europe ever since. So yes, tonight I will celebrate the death of Baroness Thatcher, with thanks, with respect, and with sadness, because she allowed me to know what we could be, what we could achieve, what it meant to be BRITISH

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As I said, your opinion and actions are your prerogative. I find the public celebration of the death of an elderly, bedridden and demented grandmother unseemly and distasteful. You are free to gloat and delight in it all you want, just because I choose not to does not make me a troll.

 

Globalisation was happening before Thatchers time. Why do you suppose the subsequent governments of Blair and Brown, or private enterprise, did not re open the coal mines, shipyards and steelworks?

 

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If you read my post again (without your blinkers) you might realise that at no point did I 'gloat' or take 'delight' in her death or ,indeed, attempt to take any joy from the fact that she was elderly and bedridden.

Sad that she is dead? No, but I am very sad for her life because it has had a profound, and mostly undesirable, effect on all of us.

 

As for re-opening closed manufacturing facilities, you need to 'gen up' on a few facts before you make any sweeping statements.

Now, I don't know to much about shipyards so, I will say nothing on that point but, I know quite a lot about coal mines and steelworks as my family, for generations, have worked in both.

The coal mines could not be reopened for a number of reasons, the most common being water...

If a mine is closed and it's maintenance regime removed (which is what happened) it will stand a very good chance of flooding. Now, given that the average depth of a mine shaft (in S.Wales anyway) was in excess of 1000 feet(that puts them below sea level). Water at that depth exerts a tremendous amount of pressure that seriously damages the mine workings. Removing the water will lead to almost certain collapse as the workings dry out. Additionally, when a mine is closed, what do you think happens to the mineshaft? It gets filled in and capped with several feet on concrete. Bit of a non-starter.

 

Re-opening a steel works after it has been closed and 'asset stripped' is also a bit of a non starter as the sums of money involved are huge. As an example, the cost of upgrading a small part of the steelmaking plant at Port Talbot was in excess of £800 Million in the 1970's. A tiny fraction of the cost of building an entire plant. Also, the time involved to re-start a blast furnace is months not hours or days. You don't just throw in a packet of firelighters...

 

The fact that subsequent governments also jumped on the 'globalisation' bandwagon has always bothered me as, as far as I can see, it was just an excuse to further exploit those who lived in economies that were much weaker than ours.

I also never saw the 'wisdom' of selling off our basic infrastructure (water/power etc.) to foreign interests. Putting that much of the 'basics' of our economy in the hands of money grubbing investors seems like the road to ruin.

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If you read my post again (without your blinkers) you might realise that at no point did I 'gloat' or take 'delight' in her death or ,indeed, attempt to take any joy from the fact that she was elderly and bedridden.

Sad that she is dead? No, but I am very sad for her life because it has had a profound, and mostly undesirable, effect on all of us.

 

As for re-opening closed manufacturing facilities, you need to 'gen up' on a few facts before you make any sweeping statements.

Now, I don't know to much about shipyards so, I will say nothing on that point but, I know quite a lot about coal mines and steelworks as my family, for generations, have worked in both.

The coal mines could not be reopened for a number of reasons, the most common being water...

If a mine is closed and it's maintenance regime removed (which is what happened) it will stand a very good chance of flooding. Now, given that the average depth of a mine shaft (in S.Wales anyway) was in excess of 1000 feet(that puts them below sea level). Water at that depth exerts a tremendous amount of pressure that seriously damages the mine workings. Removing the water will lead to almost certain collapse as the workings dry out. Additionally, when a mine is closed, what do you think happens to the mineshaft? It gets filled in and capped with several feet on concrete. Bit of a non-starter.

 

Re-opening a steel works after it has been closed and 'asset stripped' is also a bit of a non starter as the sums of money involved are huge. As an example, the cost of upgrading a small part of the steelmaking plant at Port Talbot was in excess of £800 Million in the 1970's. A tiny fraction of the cost of building an entire plant. Also, the time involved to re-start a blast furnace is months not hours or days. You don't just throw in a packet of firelighters...

 

The fact that subsequent governments also jumped on the 'globalisation' bandwagon has always bothered me as, as far as I can see, it was just an excuse to further exploit those who lived in economies that were much weaker than ours.

I also never saw the 'wisdom' of selling off our basic infrastructure (water/power etc.) to foreign interests. Putting that much of the 'basics' of our economy in the hands of money grubbing investors seems like the road to ruin.

 

 

Settle petal.

 

Sweeping statements? I thought that i just pointed out that you were free to act in which ever way you chose and asked you a question.

 

I wonder how the Australian miners ever managed to get their under ground facilities up and running again after the 2011 floods left them full of water for the best part of a year.

 

Thanks for 'genning me up' anyway, because there was me thinking that the reason there was no interest in restarting any of that deceased industry was because there was no economic value in doing so. I suppose Lakshmi Mittal must be kicking himself that he doesn't have a spare 800 million lying around so he can restart those highly profitable industries.

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My experience, in general, is that folk who judge others so harshly, who are quick to point out others faults and look for others to blame usually do it to camouflage their own shortfalls. :roll:

 

It's true: when I said that Fred West wasn't the sort of person I'd like to hang around with, I did it to draw attention away from my flat feet.

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My experience, in general, is that folk who judge others so harshly, who are quick to point out others faults and look for others to blame usually do it to camouflage their own shortfalls. :roll:

 

It's true: when I said that Fred West wasn't the sort of person I'd like to hang around with, I did it to draw attention away from my flat feet.

 

Ooww shame about your flat feet :D don't let it get you down!

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