JustMe Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 Can anyone explain why the council tend to clump all the nut jobs together in the same places (Mossbank, Toy town in Brae etc)? Surely if they were isolated from their peers they would find it easier to change their behaviour. I think some tough love is called for with these trouble makers. The softly softly holistic approach doesn't seem to be working.There is another side to that. Why should people living in nice peaceful areas suffer because the council or Hjaltland dumps some troubled person in their midst in the hope that they will become reformed characters. Can take a long time to get a troublesome tenant removed. But of course housing troubled people away from their peers can also make sense. Is this where I become a NIMBY? (Not In My Back Yard). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klanky Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 If they're known repeat trouble makers - why house them at all? A few days of sleeping in a peat cutting would work wonders on their social interaction skills...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundview Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 Thats a good point JustMe. I certainly wouldn't want a drug addict for a neighbour - especially in the isolated area where I live. I was just thinking aloud - getting some ideas out there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EM Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 They go to places you would not but are quite happy to comment aboutI'd be a little bit more careful in your generalisations if I were you.I did not say YOU personally, you took it personally and reacted to it. This is an open forum and YOU is the reader persay.Whether or not you meant NewMagnie or everyone, his comment remains true; you do indeed have a habit of making sweeping generalisations about what "we" and "everyone" do and think. Apart from NM and a handful, perhaps I should have said that?Or perhaps you could do as he suggested and be a bit more careful in your generalisations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amno Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 Well they try this in other countries the tough love like in america and it hasnt worked there, the most violent society in the developed world. maybe the softly aproach doesnt work either but until someone figures it out itl just need to do, ive never seen any trouble in brae in all the years ive been there compared to where i grew up which wasnt such a bad place anyway its the quietist little scheme i know a great place for a young family or old couple, as is most of shetland to be ohnest, Remeber youve got more or less full employment where some places have more than 15 %, a good education system there are bad people but there well hidden and dont cause the trouble they do in places like london glasgow liverpool belfast etc etc youre never going to have it 100% perfect a few junkies and a couple thieves wont ruin the dayThere is no broken society in shetland just keep things in perspective Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OP8S Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 Indeed amno. As NM previously posted " broken society ? " most folk don't know how good they've got it in the Isles. Everywhere has their share of problematic substance users, petty criminals & wannabe bad-asses. The press will only ever report on the negative, when laws are broken & the like. Your not likely to hear any positive reports of Mr. or Mrs. X who contribute positively to your community but happen to become criminals behind closed doors because of the draconian 40 year old substance misuse laws, while smoking a joint. Shetland is far from a broken society, the only people who don't work are the ones that are unable to ( through disability ) or the ones that just don't want to work. I never found it a problem getting a job through my trips back home. Even if it was the Mafia of the illicit fish trade ( Shetland Catch ). That's why it is so important to get things right from the start, drop the judgemental stance & stigmatisation of those in need of help. People harp on about the fact that it's an island, this can be used as an advantage. Take note of what has worked on the mainland ( or further afield ), at the same time recognise what isn't working & don't go down that road.Make judgements on evidence backed research & not what is published by papers such as the Daily Mail or NoTW. People are always going to have different beliefs, that's no reason why everybody can't get on with one another, as long as they are not harming anybody else. There but for the grace of god & all that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shetlandpeat Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 I think we are over reacting. We all could do with putting more effort into our community. we all come out with a multitude of reasons why we cannot. Nit picking is not constructive, as we all know. This may be why we have let society down the way we have. You think someone else will do it for you.Quick to blame others.However, this is an open forum and you are quite correct to correct if you think correction is correct. I prefer the spelling scrutiniser, he was a teacher I believe.We seem also to blame schools, I remember the liberal approach instead of beating kids into submission, but that did not work so well. It did create some very tough folk, today, we seem only to hear of tough gangs.Sadly, you cannot blame the buildings, or can you?Building your community is as important, suitable establishments and responsible elders have a big part to pay. The Mareel and the skatepark will help. As will sitting down to a Evening meal with your family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shetlandpeat Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 Why should people living in nice peaceful areas suffer because the council or Hjaltland dumps some troubled person in their midst in the hope that they will become reformed characters. Can take a long time to get a troublesome tenant removed. But of course housing troubled people away from their peers can also make sense. Is this where I become a NIMBY? (Not In My Back Yard). Perhaps one of the reasons is a lack of compassion and understanding. If you know how to address folk and speak to them, they can be fine. There are very few totally disruptive folk, and there is normally an underlying reason to this. The fact that communities would rather criticize than help and rely on a few good eggs to do their dirty work makes social integration hard work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EM Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 We all could do with putting more effort into our community.Could we? we all come out with a multitude of reasons why we cannot.Do we? You think someone else will do it for you.Do I? We seem also to blame schools,Do we? Speak for yourself if you must, but don't include me in your pronouncements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulb Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 So shetland peat would you be happy to move to the council estate at ribbleton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shetlandpeat Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 Will Kingsfold not do?That is where I am now. A mini Beirut as described by a Councillor here. What that will prove I do not know. I have lived in many areas that are deemed trouble. Grange is much nicer, it is improving, though Ribbleton is starting that way too. Working in many of these areas and speaking to folk, it seems that the same goal is needed. But it seems to have to take some forward thinking locals to push with the council, police and other authorities. The use of PCSOs and regular pact meetings. Also the local gov gets involved and folk can go and see or contact them at all times, as well as the street pastors. It has taken the work and efforts of many parts of the community. We do have the ignoranuses who, no matter how folk try to and do improve small parts at a time, will still bleat and distract from the real subject in hand by side tracking arguments with particulars that pay little or no bearing to the real problem.Local community radio stations are getting more involved, with PrestonFM and ChorleyFM helping out in some of these deprived areas (deprived by the rest of us collectively). This Sunday is the Preston Mela, it is a great time for all, another part of our society that helps out. The Hindu center does a hell of alot to improve folks lives.Also Preston, South Ribble and Chorley are working on their LDF and with the cash generated with CIL and Sect. 106 will try to improve those types of places.This has been going on in Skelmersdale as well. Folks needs are very similar all over the country, there are no special cases really, just areas at different levels. If community and parish councils were full staffed more could be done, this is another part that seems to fail Shetland, if folk do not want to get involved in the local politics then the wider politics will march on unchecked. But, to answer your question, if I worked close by then it would be an option, pointless question at that. EM, thanks for responding, I just knew you would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostrider Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 We do have the ignoranuses.... I really don't want to know what it is they do to earn that label. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewMagnie Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 I did not say YOU personally, you took it personally and reacted to it. This is an open forum and YOU is the reader persay. My word, I I took everything written with you in personally, I would be very busy with my responses I'm not taking anything personally, I said very clearly I wasn't having a pop at you - I'm still not. You (and I mean you personally)should have said "we" or "most folk" or something along those lines. You used "you" in response to my post, It's perfectly reasonable to infer that you meant me. Steve Jobs I ain't, but even I know that "you" isn't web-speak for 'a random demographic selection of the online population'. But if you meant everybody - or even "most folk" - that's still a bit of an assumption isn't it? I'm not reacting persoanlly, I'm just using my personal experience as an example of how you need to choose your words carefully in public forum. I expect many of the posters on here have similar or better experience and that many have none - that's not the point. Street Pastors are trained, but not to the academic standards of you Uni bod or professional career bod. Then they shouldn't be out there in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewMagnie Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 We do have the ignoranuses.... I really don't want to know what it is they do to earn that label. They haven't done anything Ghost - they're just dumb-arses..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohanofNess Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 We do have the ignoranuses.... I really don't want to know what it is they do to earn that label. Speak fluently out of both ends and use the word "we" a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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