Shetland's broken society.

[George.]

That's very true Bobdohog. The question is, what would have happened to me, and of course the rest of society if it was not legal. If that was the case it would certainly have been more attractive, more fun to the common man.

 

You'd have made a fortune distilling it in the back yard.

[shetlandpeat]

We may not have been doing that for too long. Organised crime will take over mass production. It seems if you make something untouchable, folk wanna touch it even more.

 

But shop keepers and the like have been exploiting the kids for years, I bet even now kids know what shops they can buy a drink or cigarettes without too many questions.

 

As times have gone on we have trivialised things as a society.

 

Attitudes to other folk have changed too, as we seem not to be too Christian about things.

 

I would think a lack of respect is the key to some of our problems. For others and ourselves.

 

It is amazing too how folk will respond if polite and without insult.

[Kavi Ugl]

The original question is "Is anyone else concerned about where Shetland is going?" and my answer is "yes" but as Ghostrider says it has already happened.

 

Shetland has become a socialist offshore "living off benefits" island. Tesco is full of them everyday and it's set to get worse because of all the "social housing" that wir numpty SIC/Hjaltland are building.

 

Let's not beat around the bush here - social housing just means people living off benefits and who are unwilling to work. And I would love to know how many people who are currently living sooth have their name down on the Shetland housing waiting list.

 

Coupled with all this you have an out of control SIC(social work dept and housing dept) who spend more time and money helping these wasters than providing basic services for the decent and hard working majority(bulky uplft/toilets).

 

Until the money is severely cut to all these dole moles and the various social agencies and schemes it won't change.

 

And coupled with all this, there is the general breakdown in peoples' behaviour and attitude aka Big Brother.

[DavieB]

Totally agree

[shetlandpeat]

Any stats?

 

Quite an odd statement as many folk have been brought up in social housing throughout the generations.

 

Have you asked how many, that would be the best way. Seems a bit rude to lump in folk on the list who want or need to come back home, look after relatives in need or retiring. For just a few.

 

Your social Shetland has some of the best care for elderly and those unable to look after themselves.

 

You advocate isolation for Shetland, home rule etc. yet you want to join with Norway.

 

Norway will

• work to have harm reduction

recognised as a vital element

in a holistic substance abuse policy

 

Norway will

• work to ensure that all countries offer

people with a drug dependency

adequate treatment and rehabilitation

respecting their human rights

 

So, a good approach, I would bet that most, if not all the Northern countries of Europe have the same policies.

 

So joining Norway may bring in programs a minority are against. The majority all want a solution, one that works.

 

Still, you had the chance to do something about it, yet folk here voted for someone who had no policies on drugs, just a lot of wind.

And again, when SIC seats are up for election, folk will do nothing. Except a few.

 

I would bet you would not stand, and will give us reasons why it would be a waste of time. Have you not noticed, the successful folk tend to have a bit more passion when they start out.

[JustMe]

Kavi Ugl wrote

Let's not beat around the bush here - social housing just means people living off benefits and who are unwilling to work.

That is just not true. Many people living in council or Hjaltland homes are hard working people who just do not earn enough to buy a house while of course there are also pensioners and genuinely sick people housed by both agencies. And there are plenty of people on the waiting lists who are working lots of overtime or even doing two jobs to pay the high rents in the private sector within Shetland. And indeed there are plenty of people living on benefits who deserve their benefits. The old, the sick and so on.

[Guest Anonymous]

Stop housing the wasters and the hard working couple with bairns could be housed, simple really.

A policy like this and we might find that some of the wasters get their finger out and get on with providing for themselves, and those that don't well screw them

[paulb]

is there not a policy of no criminal activity within the housing.

[Kavi Ugl]

I didn't say that there a no decent and hard working people in SIC or Hjaltland housing. Nor did I in any way insinuate that people in public housing are in some way "lesser". The problem is too many of the houses are being given to people who have no intention of working or are druggies/alcoholics. Many of the people you mention are probably just as fed up with seeing the druggies and alcoholics housed before and alongside them(as mentioned in the housing policy thread).

 

Let's be clear here - I fully support the helping of people who have genuine mental and substance abuse problems, probably more than you realise. What I am against is the blurgeoning "it's not your fault" "how can we help you" culture which the authorities started, are fuelling and which more and more misfits are latching onto. And trust me, it's costing Shetland and the UK a fortune.

 

Yes, I advocate a return to Norway and if Norway wants to encourage substance mis-use treatment that's fine. As I've said, in no way do I begrudge genuine treatment. My problem is that Shetland is slipping down the road of "The Scheme"....

[amno]

well you see you cant stop housing these wasters because its a legal requirement unfortunatlely, to take youre attatude of throw them all on the street is going to the level of a third world country,

the problem is that junkies/alcoholics are deemed to be incapable of handling themselves so without social housing they would end up on the streets begging the young hard working typed with 2 jobs have shown that they are more than capable of providing for themselves so they wont get a house without a massive bit of luck,

 

I dont think the problem of heroin riddled unemployed coming to shetland for a house is as bad as it sometimes seems, when im on the mainland i frequently come accross people who have never even heard of shetland or know where it is never mind sitting with there name on a housing list. you dont get any more dole money here than you do in glasgow they wont know anyone here or have anything to do so why bother?

 

I dont know why anyone would want to inject that sh1te into themselves but i know that calling them all the b.....ds and talking tough doesnt make a blind bit of difference

[Shetland_boys]

I might b dead wrong but i think when these druggie familys from south cause too much trouble in there towns then there local housing decide to move them to more quet areas like shetland, and then the quiet places move them to mossbank etc

[paulb]

look if you think the drug problem is incomer based your very wrong. if you were to treat it as such you would be missing a large number of addicts.

what i do feel is strange is that the keep catching the mules mainly from liverpool(I wonder how many no liverpool smugglers get through). why are they not catching the local dealers. if they are catching so many they must know who the dealers are. whats the betting most were born up here.

 

would some form of sheltered housing with drug treatments be better than just normal homes.

[amno]

Do you think thats what goes on? ohnestly? A council cant move any tennent to an area outside of its borders.

Do folk here actualy think this problem is all down to incommers and without them the problem would be tiny or non existent???

[Guest Anonymous]

well you see you cant stop housing these wasters because its a legal requirement unfortunatlely, to take youre attatude of throw them all on the street is going to the level of a third world country,

the problem is that junkies/alcoholics are deemed to be incapable of handling themselves so without social housing they would end up on the streets begging the young hard working typed with 2 jobs have shown that they are more than capable of providing for themselves so they wont get a house without a massive bit of luck,

 

I dont think the problem of heroin riddled unemployed coming to shetland for a house is as bad as it sometimes seems, when im on the mainland i frequently come accross people who have never even heard of shetland or know where it is never mind sitting with there name on a housing list. you dont get any more dole money here than you do in glasgow they wont know anyone here or have anything to do so why bother?

 

I dont know why anyone would want to inject that sh1te into themselves but i know that calling them all the b.....ds and talking tough doesnt make a blind bit of difference

 

 

your fist point maybe we have to house them but why in a nice house that someone of use to society could have, why not a homeless hostel of the same standard as those elsewhere.

 

your second point even though we have a lot of our own drug addled wasters there are a hell of a lot that have no connection with Shetland other than they thought they could make a killing selling turd up here.

 

your third point talking tough has no effect when it is not backed up by action but pandering to the wasters has even less effect especially when backed by action.

 

the law says we have to house the homeless but twice I registered in Aberdeen as homeless and twice was told to return to Shetland.

I was told there was zero chance of me ever qualifying for housing in Aberdeen.

So if other councils can tell folk to sausage off then why can't ours

[amno]

Well i certainly agree with you about the brand new houses thats for sure, also why do they need to live in lerwick if there not working?

Unfortunately what would need to happen would be a complete overhaul of the housing system acros the board and even then it wouldnt work because;

The council can only act with regards to KNOWN drug users so anyone whos good at hiding it will be treated as anyone else would, id imagin you may come up against some rule that says youre treating these people unfairly if the council has one policy for "decent hard working folk" and another for "scummy junkies" which at the moment it doesnt anyway, they would simply be classed as unemployed and to discover the presence of drugs is a police matter anyway and not a council one.

 

One idea would be the council can adopt ascreening policy the same as many employers do ie you must declare any criminal convictions against you in the last 10 years thats sort of thing which would affect youre application?