sheltie53 Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 Did you know that the lower set of 20 Mph flashing/warning lights do not work ! This afternoon the poice were using their speed camera and "clocking" everyone including me in a streamof traffic all at 27 Mph. Anyone else aware of this ? We all know there's no excuse for speeding past a school but with no warning signs most would assume the 30 Mph is in place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
breeksy Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 What time was it? Are you sure the 20mph was in place at the time? The signs near me say something like 'speed limit in place when lights flash' or similar I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuckleJoannie Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 Yes the lights on the Lerwick side of the roundabout don't seem to be working. I came up the Sound Brae the other day wondering why traffic was coming down so slow then checked my mirrors and seen the lights flashing at the other end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alnangler Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 Lights on Lerwick end have not been working for a few weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
breeksy Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 Well, my understanding is that the 20mph zone is in operation when the lights are on. I am no legal expert, but I think you would have a very strong case if they were to fine you for going between 20 and 30mph in this instance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CyprusPluto Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 Surely if the flashing lights are not working they cannot uphold the speed conviction if it's between 20 and 30. Above 30 you've had it. The sign says 30 unless lights flashing, then it's 20. People are not psychic and so if the lights are not flashing, either because they do need to or they're not working, the speed must be considered to be 30. Challenge it in court. you will win. There was a similar incidents involving many drivers in Aberdeen 4 years ago. The cameras there were of the correct regulation. I would imagine a faulty sign falls in that category. That said, if it says 30, that's a max. If it clearly says 20, that's a max as well. After all it's only a couple of hundred yards - hardly a chore to slow down for that short distance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klanky Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 Don't worry about it. The Polis regularly 'clock' speeds - it doesn't mean they are out to get anyone. Plus if the lights aren't on - the 20mph limit cannot be enforced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piggywiggie Posted June 18, 2011 Report Share Posted June 18, 2011 tey should maybe try get the lights working especially since the tourists and things are coming up now. so they at least know to slow down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Politically_Right Posted June 18, 2011 Report Share Posted June 18, 2011 If there was indeed a fault with the lights then you have absolutely nothing to worry about. If you were caught speeding by a hand-held speed gun then there is no law in existence that can result in you being prosecuted. One thing to remember is that there is a distinct difference between a ‘law’ and an ‘act’, therefore the police are purely reliant on self-confessions or the use of fear and intimidation to make the victim acknowledge that they have broken the law – even though this can never be proven in court. That is why we should never acknowledge or agree with anything that a member of the police force tells you to do – You should always question their every action or maintain silence and seek legal advice, or even better – learn your rights. What you will then find is that in many cases it is actually the Police Officers who have abused their position or indeed broken the law. Note: I am not for one minute advocating driving at excessive speeds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo Posted June 18, 2011 Report Share Posted June 18, 2011 If there was indeed a fault with the lights then you have absolutely nothing to worry about. If you were caught speeding by a hand-held speed gun then there is no law in existence that can result in you being prosecuted. One thing to remember is that there is a distinct difference between a ‘law’ and an ‘act’, therefore the police are purely reliant on self-confessions or the use of fear and intimidation to make the victim acknowledge that they have broken the law – even though this can never be proven in court. That is why we should never acknowledge or agree with anything that a member of the police force tells you to do – You should always question their every action or maintain silence and seek legal advice, or even better – learn your rights. What you will then find is that in many cases it is actually the Police Officers who have abused their position or indeed broken the law. Note: I am not for one minute advocating driving at excessive speeds. Haha What a funny post. What you should do is try telling that to anyone who has been to court and tried and been found guilty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaflech Posted June 18, 2011 Report Share Posted June 18, 2011 Just a thought, but if you think you may have been nabbed by the boys in blue and the 20mph lights were broken, it may be worth getting a letter from the council to back it up. Something like 'Shetland Islands Council can confirm that on (date) the temporary 20mph zone flashing lights were unserviceable.' This may be useful if the lights get fixed in the interim if you get called to court or a fine, and there is no written evidence that the lights were broken on that date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klanky Posted June 18, 2011 Report Share Posted June 18, 2011 If there was indeed a fault with the lights then you have absolutely nothing to worry about. If you were caught speeding by a hand-held speed gun then there is no law in existence that can result in you being prosecuted. One thing to remember is that there is a distinct difference between a ‘law’ and an ‘act’, therefore the police are purely reliant on self-confessions or the use of fear and intimidation to make the victim acknowledge that they have broken the law – even though this can never be proven in court. That is why we should never acknowledge or agree with anything that a member of the police force tells you to do – You should always question their every action or maintain silence and seek legal advice, or even better – learn your rights. What you will then find is that in many cases it is actually the Police Officers who have abused their position or indeed broken the law. Note: I am not for one minute advocating driving at excessive speeds. Can you smell the paranoia, folks? The clues in the username..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icepick239 Posted June 18, 2011 Report Share Posted June 18, 2011 Politically_Right IDIOTThe advice given on your previous visits to Shetlink was totally incorrect and made you look a boastful, know-all Pillock. Nothing has changed.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheltie53 Posted June 18, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 18, 2011 Boys, Boys !! Thanks for the replies and to answer a couple of points-- I was driving at 27 Mph (in traffic) and noted that when I saw the camera and realised that I could see the south lights flashing in my mirror.As soon as I was told that the Lerwick side were not working I went around to check and sure enough they were NOT while the south side was still flashing.Cant be sure that I was "clocked"and will have to wait and see but am quite sure someone will have been. For sake of safety and fairness I will be one of many to report the fault on Monday morning to more than one local agency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owre-weel Posted June 18, 2011 Report Share Posted June 18, 2011 Politically_Right IDIOTThe advice given on your previous visits to Shetlink was totally incorrect and made you look a boastful, know-all Pillock. Nothing has changed.... Bairns bairns, if you dunna agree with an opinion, den by all means discuss it, but do you really need to resort tae silly name calling. This is wan o da reasons why some folk decide not tae git involved and post in da forums. As for the spped check, remember that the police may have been aware that the 20mph sign was not working, but checking for those going over 30mph ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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