Infiltrator Posted June 20, 2011 Report Share Posted June 20, 2011 however even if they are wonky its reasonable to drive at the speed of the othe sides speed. if they are slow use it as a guide. after all its there to save lives. I'm impressed, while driving your car at 30 mph, you can tell whether the cars travelling towards you in the distance are doing 20 mph or 30 mph, I know I couldn't and I've been driving 20+ yrs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheltie53 Posted June 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2011 however even if they are wonky its reasonable to drive at the speed of the othe sides speed. if they are slow use it as a guide. after all its there to save lives. I'm impressed, while driving your car at 30 mph, you can tell whether the cars travelling towards you in the distance are doing 20 mph or 30 mph, I know I couldn't and I've been driving 20+ yrs. Be impressed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unlinkedstudent Posted June 20, 2011 Report Share Posted June 20, 2011 unlink if you don't know that kids are going in between 8.30am and 9am and leaving about3.15 -3.40 your do now. dinner is roughly 12-1 or 1-2 depending on the school. if its a permenent 20 then its in force all the time. as sheltie says the flashing lights ones are only in force when they are operating. the smilie face that they used to have near the swimming pool was a good idea. however even if they are wonky its reasonable to drive at the speed of the othe sides speed. if they are slow use it as a guide. after all its there to save lives. So let me get this straight - along with having to concentrate on my driving, I also have to keep in the back of my mind what time it is and whether or not it is a school holiday when in reality, what is required, is for the SIC to get their fingers out of where the sun don't shine and fix the **** **** **** (I'm thinking a lot of naughty words here) lights! Blimey, if I'm not permitted to use my mobile phone when driving but have to look at my watch and get nicked for driving without due care and attention as my beloved old vehicle mounts the pavement thus hitting a school kid at a low speed as I pull up my cardigan to see said watch simply to check whether or not kids are likely to be around ... you get my drift? I beg to differ with you. You could get nicked for crawling along at say 10mph on your side of the road - just because another lane of traffic is travelling slowly, that does not dictate that you should do the same. For all I know there could be a tourist miles ahead looking at the marvellous architecture of the Mareel causing a tail back but if there was nothing in front of me in my lane of traffic and I was driving in the opposite direction, why should I drive at say 10mph? Answer, nope I blooming shouldn't. At the end of the day, slow down by all means near schools but you can't get nicked or shouldn't get nicked due to a faulty set of warning lights that weren't luminated and SIC should, and I reiterate, get their blooming fingers out! Oops, perhaps they have ordered the part and it ain't arrived. Nuff said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bug Posted June 20, 2011 Report Share Posted June 20, 2011 I reckon anyone exceeding 20mph when the orange lights are flashing (even if the ones on the sign out of LK warning drivers are faulty) are on a sticky wicket in court because there is a flashing light above the crossing point at the school entrance. This is for the benefit of those drivers that enter the area without driving past a warning sign, Upper Baila, the Blydoit road, the Westerloch houses, Baila and of couse the school and hall itself. As for timing the Hi-Vis jacket worn by the lollipop lady is a pretty good clue that bairns are out and about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest posiedon Posted June 20, 2011 Report Share Posted June 20, 2011 bugThis is for the benefit of those drivers that enter the area without driving past a warning sign, Upper Baila, the Blydoit road, the Westerloch houses, Baila and of course the school and hall itself. The council in these times of austerity; found the cash to install five sets of lights in Aith (anybody ever been knocked down? Ever?) Two on the main road, One coming out of whirlygate, One coming out of the shop car park, and yet another coming off the leisure center car park. Again; has there ever been an accident outside the school? Well not in the 11 years I've lived here. Bloody madness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unlinkedstudent Posted June 20, 2011 Report Share Posted June 20, 2011 bugThis is for the benefit of those drivers that enter the area without driving past a warning sign, Upper Baila, the Blydoit road, the Westerloch houses, Baila and of course the school and hall itself. The council in these times of austerity; found the cash to install five sets of lights in Aith (anybody ever been knocked down? Ever?) Two on the main road, One coming out of whirlygate, One coming out of the shop car park, and yet another coming off the leisure center car park. Again; has there ever been an accident outside the school? Well not in the 11 years I've lived here. Bloody madness. Eh? I've just had a decker through the Highway Code online and whilst I can see the signs indicating school crossing and that lights may be in use when the school crossing is in use, other temporary speed limits applying, warning flashing lights at say a level crossing, etc., I can't see anywhere in the Highway Code amber lights flashing on their OWN - I'm referring to lights on a school building, for example. How many feet/metres is the school building away from the road? Now I know the use of lights on motorway signs, etc., but I've never seen lights on their own anywhere else in the UK unless, of course, there was a sign above said flashing amber lights. Perhaps some kind soul can point me to the correct page on the Highway Code where it states that a flashing amber light on its own is indicative that a 20mph speed is in force - or are you saying that there is a sign also there? (which would obviously explain it) One flashing light, amber in colour, however, would not illustrate to drivers approaching from a road where there was not the school crossing/20mph limit sign that the amber light did, in fact, illustrate the fact that such a school crossing/20mph limit was in force - how are drivers meant to know that, especially those unfamiliar with the area! Would it not be more prudent to whack a sign and lights up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArabiaTerra Posted June 20, 2011 Report Share Posted June 20, 2011 If it's any help to the original poster, those lights have been out of order for weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hairyian Posted June 20, 2011 Report Share Posted June 20, 2011 It is simples... The sign says it all 'when the lights flash'.Maybe to assist pedents, it should say 'when the lights attatched to this sign flash' ??If the lights flash - displayed speed limit applies.If they do not flash - then it does not.It matters not that the lights are broken, stolen, forgotten to be switched on, never installed in the first place.There is no need to carry out a survey of other traffic, drive round looking for alternative lights.. just stick to the sign in front of you.The single flashing light, usually in, or very close to the school entrance, has no road traffic significance. It is there to remind the school staff that the speed sign lights have been activated. Whether it be a 20 or 30 MPH limit in force, it should be noted that this is the maximum permitted speed under any circumstances. It is not a minimum speed.There is no offence of driving below the speed limit. Though if you do a traffic survey you could be forgiven for thinking otherwise.Driving at a speed that is unsafe for the road and weather conditions at the time, even if it is well below the stated maximum speed, is an offence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheltie53 Posted June 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2011 As for timing the Hi-Vis jacket worn by the lollipop lady is a pretty good clue that bairns are out and about.quote. But if there are no more people walking than normal and the lady is sitting on the wall waiting in case there are more who wish to cross the road it is very likely the the first indication to most drivers would be the distraction of two yellow vested officers pointing something at you. Anyway, thanks to all for your input, let the discussion roll on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doodle Posted June 20, 2011 Report Share Posted June 20, 2011 ^^ Very well said hairyian, sums things up nicely. Just one thing that I wasn't sure about though - I was under the impression that the single flashing lights were there to remind the traffic joining from side roads and car parks and so on that the 20mph limit was in force, rather than having a huge board at every entrance. I'm not sure about this though - it's just what I've figured out by looking at where they're positioned at a few of the temporary 20mph locations, so please correct me if I'm talking nonsense... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuckleJoannie Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 I came out of the town just now and I noticed traffic going South was doing about 20 mph in spite of the sign still not working. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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