Sea Shepherd in Shetland

[klanky]

More than a few years ago I was in Sisimuit (was called Holstenbourg back then) in Greenland.

 

Wasn't impressed with whale meat - or seal for that matter...the seal was greasy as anything. But the reindeerburgers were cracking

[Seaflech]

I personally feel that the Faroese don't need to do this practise anymore because they can go down to the supermarket just like me or you.

I'm not quite sure where you are coming from on this one; one minute you're saying you don't like this organisation being in Shetland before they head off to 'harass our northern neighbours,' indicating that you are pro-hunting, then you say that what the Faeroese are doing is unnecessary. Would it be fair to assume that your are just against people protesting against things?

 

 

It still sticks in my throat that we're allowing them to amass here before basically "launching and attack" on our northern neighbours.

 

So is it perfectly acceptable then for our 'northern neighbours' to "launch an attack" on a whole load of defenceless mammals, given that the Faeroese, in you own words, 'don't need to do this practice anymore'?

 

I don't see Sea Shepherd fighting for the endangered rhinos and elephants that are slaughtered simply for their horns and tusks and where the rest of the animal is just left to rot in the sun.

 

Erm, the clue is in the title, and their website. They would have a fair baff getting the Steve Irwin onto the plains of Africa, bit of a shortage of water depth....

A quick scan of their website answers quite a lot of your last two posts:

 

"Over the years, we have been called many names, some of which are accurate, but I have no intention of arguing with anyone over them. It was because we were called pirates that I adapted the Jolly Roger, designing it to reflect what we stand for, with the shepherd’s crook crossed with the trident of Neptune symbolizing our protection of life in the oceans and our determination to fight for their rights to survive and be free to be what they are in the sea. The skull reflects the death that humanity brings to the ocean, while the yin and yang whale and dolphin symbolize our desire to bring our seas into balance and restore the grace of the dolphin and the wisdom of the whale. It was also by a whale’s eye that I was inspired to establish Sea Shepherd so many years ago."

 

[Ghostrider]

I personally feel that the Faroese don't need to do this practise anymore because they can go down to the supermarket just like me or you.

I'm not quite sure where you are coming from on this one; one minute you're saying you don't like this organisation being in Shetland before they head off to 'harass our northern neighbours,' indicating that you are pro-hunting, then you say that what the Faeroese are doing is unnecessary. Would it be fair to assume that your are just against people protesting against things?

 

Protesting is fine in principle, but when strangers swoop in from afar trying to emulate a white knight and do their best to dictate "how its going to be", it kinda gets folk's backs up, or it does mine.

[Seaflech]

^^

I agree with you for the most part, but I haven't got the impression they are dictating 'how it's going to be,' but more like a 'this is what we do,' and that they are raising awareness (and no doubt hopefully for them - money at the same time) of what their cause is, which they obviously firmly believe in.

 

I do think that some forms of protest are gone about completely the wrong way, like Greenpeace for example.

[Njugle]

Using the comparison about free-ranging happy whales having a good life before the slaughter is fine Kavi, but even some of us hardened carnivores would find it distasteful to see a field of cows slaughtered by the same method and then see calfs spill out of the guts when a cow is hung on the slaughterman's hook. Unless the Sea Shepherd folk have done some really clever photo-editing it would seem to be that some of the whales are in calf when slaughtered. That adds a bit to the practical inefficiency of that particular tradition.

[klanky]

^^

I agree with you for the most part, but I haven't got the impression they are dictating 'how it's going to be,' but more like a 'this is what we do,' and that they are raising awareness (and no doubt hopefully for them - money at the same time) of what their cause is, which they obviously firmly believe in.

 

I do think that some forms of protest are gone about completely the wrong way, like Greenpeace for example.

 

I'd agree with that - plus Greenpeace seem hell bent on targetting legitimate businesses, I always get the impression there is an anti-Capitalist edge to their 'environmental' direct action.

The irony of burning fuel to get to a rig to prevent it drilling for the very stuff that allows them to get there to protest in the first place seems to be lost upon them....

 

The SS? Crack on on boys and good luck. If I were single I'd be signing up as engine room crew with them.

[Ghostrider]

....with the campaign running until September (when the two vessels will return to the Antarctic), Shetlanders could expect to see the Steve Irwin and Brigitte Bardot making regular “pit stops†in Lerwick for the remainder of the summer.

 

http://www.shetlandtimes.co.uk/2011/07/15/anti-whaling-group-to-make-frequent-visits-to-isles-during-faroese-campaign

 

May the LPA choke on the profit from the harbour dues, and so do those who feed, water and fuel them.

 

Neighbourly, werre certainly no beein.

[klanky]

....with the campaign running until September (when the two vessels will return to the Antarctic), Shetlanders could expect to see the Steve Irwin and Brigitte Bardot making regular “pit stops†in Lerwick for the remainder of the summer.

 

http://www.shetlandtimes.co.uk/2011/07/15/anti-whaling-group-to-make-frequent-visits-to-isles-during-faroese-campaign

 

May the LPA choke on the profit from the harbour dues, and so do those who feed, water and fuel them.

 

Neighbourly, werre certainly no beein.

 

They're welcome in my house.

 

And so are the Faroese.

[Ghostrider]

^^ I hope your building an contents insurance are up to date and fully cover, you may need it if both visit at the same time.

 

A Faeroeman can look alang me any time, professional crusaders, whatever their crusade, nah, not so much. Just something about self-appointed, self-styled (alleged) "do-gooders" that makes my milk turn.

[JustMe]

If a ship is not claiming to be on the way to commit a criminal offence, is not in debt to the port authority and is not unseaworthy then refusing that ship use of the LPA'a facilities might well be breaking the LPA's own rules. To protest is not illegal and although in the past various marine conservation vessels have broken the law it is also true that the people being protested about have at times also broken the law.

[beachcaster]

I've got no problem with them trying to save some whales, but I think the reception they will recieve will be a bit frostier if they start interfering with any of the local fishing boats.

 

Hopefully they will not start throwing themselves in the sea directly in front of any of our trawlers like the Greenpeace muppets did a while back.

 

I haven't heard anything to suggets that they are going to do that, I just hope that they don't.

[EM]

... that makes my milk turn.

On the basis of their sign on the dockside, it seems unlikely to be mutual. They are vegan . Does soya milk turn?

[Ghostrider]

If a ship is not claiming to be on the way to commit a criminal offence, is not in debt to the port authority and is not unseaworthy then refusing that ship use of the LPA'a facilities might well be breaking the LPA's own rules. To protest is not illegal and although in the past various marine conservation vessels have broken the law it is also true that the people being protested about have at times also broken the law.

 

SS claims they don't break any law, yet reading their own bumpf they give the impression they use the same lawyer to advise them on the interpretation of law as Calamity does. Its hardly reassuring (or worth much) to claim you are law abiding, when you don't clarify the legitimacy of the laws you claim to abide by, and give the impression of only abiding by interpretations that suit your own agenda rather than legally debated established precedents.

[Ghostrider]

... that makes my milk turn.

On the basis of their sign on the dockside, it seems unlikely to be mutual. They are vegan . Does soya milk turn?

 

They'd hate me anyway, a confirmed carnivore at every meal, and I have no problems with slicing a throat to put it on my plate.

 

Soya milk...... WTF!

[trooter]

Steve Irwin prevented from leaving Lerwick

http://www.shetnews.co.uk/news/1336-steve-irwin-prevented-from-leaving-lerwick.html