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Now he is being described as autistic and a brother to the Lincolnshire guy. There are also claims of school bullying having been a factor:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2020942/Autistic-Shetland-teen-held-global-internet-hacking-spree-masterminded-bedroom.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

 

So whats next he was not breastfed or Bipolar

Or a Freemason maybe?

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Don't think it really matters whether he's charged in England or not, it's not really that relevant is it?? If he's done the crime he should be punished wherever.

if he did it up here then it does. he did not commit any crime in england.

 

I'm not sure it matters, it's part of an international investigation into a crime against international companies, and agencies.

Probably the only safe place to hide is the moon, although the yanks would have you beleive they own and have jurisdiction over that too :)

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Funny just how many autistic hackers there are... :wink:

Probably not unsurprising as people presenting themselves with autistic tendencies have problems relating to people socially, which makes them prime targets for bullying at school. So life sitting behind a screen may be a more comfortable way of socialising. They're often are very intelligent when it comes to a particular subject. Computer hacking would be an ideal way of life for some of those effected by this dis-order.

Can't imagine that he will merge very well on the inside of a prison full of hardened criminals, but then is probably considered a low-risk offender & will maybe be incarcerated in an open gaol. The likes of which we keep for dodgy politicians...Jeffery Archer springs to mind. More of a hostel than a prison.

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Autism has a HUGE range of disorders or characteristics, ranging from the mildest (high functioning autistic individuals - I know at least one very successful litigation solicitor who is in this category) to the most severe and withdrawn. It does not magically bestow "Rainman" or "Mercury Rising" savant abilities, and to generalise in this way is wrong. I do agree about the social aspects in many cases, however it seems that every hacker caught now is rather conveniently portrayed as being autistic. Not getting on at school, being withdrawn and shy and liking videogames and computers more than real-life social interaction doesn't necessarily make you autistic, or many XBox and PS3 owners might fall into this increasingly wide category!

 

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I'm surprised the same attempt at mitigation isn't made for others who fall foul of the Law...

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if these hackers are as good as they are made out to be then a bit of national service helping protect our security may be better than jail. not really bothered if they upset the yanks and if the police security is that poor who else has been in there system. in that case could not the bosses of the news of the world be nicked for simular charges.

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It would be a far better use of their obvious talents, yes. It's been said before that the Yanks, themselves, make these sort of offers of "employment" to such hackers, many of whom face Federal charges and time, due to the nature of their "attacks" and US legislation. Persuading them to swap their Grey or Black Hats for White is the difficulty (although the notion of being an extra "pillow" for Big Bubba might help!! :shock: :wink: ).

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Autism has a HUGE range of disorders or characteristics, ranging from the mildest (high functioning autistic individuals - I know at least one very successful litigation solicitor who is in this category) to the most severe and withdrawn. It does not magically bestow "Rainman" or "Mercury Rising" savant abilities, and to generalise in this way is wrong. I do agree about the social aspects in many cases, however it seems that every hacker caught now is rather conveniently portrayed as being autistic. Not getting on at school, being withdrawn and shy and liking videogames and computers more than real-life social interaction doesn't necessarily make you autistic, or many XBox and PS3 owners might fall into this increasingly wide category!

 

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I'm surprised the same attempt at mitigation isn't made for others who fall foul of the Law...

It was not my intention to generalise or stereotype about people who suffer from autism, I just said that it wouldn't surprise me if he did suffer from it. I am aware that there is a HUGE range of characteristics that sufferers may present with, those can include having a higher than usual intellect when it comes to certain areas, whether it's maths, english or more creative talents, though some do not. My post is based on personal experience of working with people who suffer to some degree on the autistic spectrum. NOT watching a shiny Hollywood movie.

As for National Service, I would tend to agree with such a policy, but not if it meant Military Service. I can't think of a much worse idea than placing an already troubled mind into the hands of the Armed Forces. Sounds like a recipe for disaster that one.

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nope not the armed services. but lets think how many billions have been wasted onIT projects. maybe a steer with a boot into constructive areas of computing would be good for them and us too. jailing teenagers who annoy the goverment/big buisness is a waste. now if they had nicked anything whilst hacking then that would be diffrent. their raids on the game companies highlighted weakness in there security. imagine if they had beed criminal hackers. I bet it was annoying for the serious fraud office to get hit. but the question again is why were they not secure against being hit.

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Any source code can become vulnerable, I suppose, if you do not take ALL appropriate measures to stop up the "back doors" in these systems. If you are up against someone who "speaks" the same language, knows the code and, in fact, speaks it better than you (often through a gift or raw talent), they can exploit issues in the system and cause problems.

 

Think on the number of security issues those of you using "Windows" receive regular updates for. If someone with Gates' money cannot produce a secure system after all these years and experience, what makes you think SOCA, on a Government public sector budget, are going to fare any better? :? Theyre most likely using outdated systems as it is, through no fault of their own. That a bairn with a home pc managed it kind of proves my point, I think.

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Both public and, more often, private sector companies and agencies in the U.S. commonly use "White Hat" hackers to expose vulnerabilities in systems, which can then be resolved and protected from attacks. They likely do it here as well, but I have no personal knowledge of systems in this country, so I can't say if SOCA or, indeed, any Government agency employ such individuals. I would lay odds on certain facilities doing so (GCHQ, for example), but doubt the Police have such clout.

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one of the unis offeres a computer security degree were you first get taught how to hack. intresting. however i could never get the hang of basic on my very old sord m3 it was ment to be an apple but they sent that instead. i can just about use the computer for normal stuff so if they are really computer wizards then its a waste of raw skills to lock them up and who know get proper criminal skills.

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I am in no way a fan of the USA , it's policies or the way it interferes in other countries situations while on the otherhand supporting non-democratic countries purely because they have some other use for them. Saying that though one of the way that some states deal with people who have been proved guilty of a non-violent, trivial offences is very much like community service, but with a bit more backbone ( for want of a different word ). I'm sure we all remember the singer Boy George sweeping the streets of New York, schemes similar to that if put into practice in the UK could ease the pressure in our over-crowded gaols, instill some sort of work ethic into people that may be caught on the wrong side of the law but are no real threat to an individual or society as a whole. They would provide something more like re-habilitation than just getting banged up with a bunch of thugs, where all they learn is " survival of the fittest / toughest " sort of lessons.

Not only are they providing society a service, they could be gaining or improving on much needed skills of which they can be proud of. Also we , the tax-payer are not having to foot the bill for keeping them locked up.

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