Jonathan Wills Nazi salute?

[Spinner72]

Or maybe not so random?

 

If you look back, this thread has pretty much died and wandered off onto other topics more than once, only to be re-ignited again by further utterings from Wills himself.

 

At the end of the day, whether one person finds a Nazi Salute to be offensive or not is irrelevant, surely nobody can say it can be condoned for a public servant whilst on duty. The fact is there are infinite alternatives he could have used, and despite what he may say, Wills is intelligent enough to know how offensive his actions were to many.

 

The real root of the issue was summed up perfectly, IMO, by Ghostrider a few pages back :

Neither this case nor Robinson's very ill-considered rant can be seen as "right" from any angle. What both say, IMHO, is that there is a crying need for councillors to be held accountable, with some form of censure as required, for anything and everything they say and do while wearing their councillor hat.

 

This is why "get over it and move on" is wrong. What next if things like this are deemed acceptable?

[Infiltrator]

This is why "get over it and move on" is wrong. What next if things like this are deemed acceptable?

 

So do something about it that'll make a difference rather than taking it out on your keyboard.

[shetlandpeat]

This is why "get over it and move on" is wrong. What next if things like this are deemed acceptable?

 

Hundreds and thousands of folk being killed or injured in the name of justice, peace and security?

 

This is really up to the ward to decide if they want Cllr Dr. Wills back. You can support his non election but going on about it here and now will not change much, as we know, but it does vent the spleen, that in it self could be a good thing.

[Spinner72]

Nowt to say that I, nor anyone else posting here, hasn't. Luckily most people have a sensible idea of what should and shouldn't be made public.

[Guest Neill Hall]

Jonathan Wills is like Moby Dick the whale. When he surfaces in Bressay Sound to blow, his enemies are waiting to harpoon him in the back. Many scars can be seen from previous encounters as he plunges on, leaving the jellyfish and pelagic species in his wake. I think his motives are basically for the improvement of Shetland but sometimes his tactics are wrong and turn the spotlight on himself rather than those who need to be called to account.

As well as the £200,000 unnecessary purchase of property near the town hall

I have also heard on local radio this week about two projects which will be completed under budget. What will our political leaders do with the savings? - spend them by increasing the size of the projects.

We are supposed to be cutting back on expenditure but the jellyfish and the pelagics just blame the shark

[scoots]

 

[angelpie]

Or maybe not so random?

 

If you look back, this thread has pretty much died and wandered off onto other topics more than once, only to be re-ignited again by further utterings from Wills himself.

 

At the end of the day, whether one person finds a Nazi Salute to be offensive or not is irrelevant, surely nobody can say it can be condoned for a public servant whilst on duty. The fact is there are infinite alternatives he could have used, and despite what he may say, Wills is intelligent enough to know how offensive his actions were to many.

 

 

I agree with you.

 

Also was not surprised about this weeks revelation in the Shetland Times that Will's "leaking" to his cronies there bumped the price up of the property he was complaining about. He just cant control himself.

[Axolotl]

axolotl said (some time ago).........

 

Holding politicians properly to account for their words and actions is what stops the same outrageous behaviour happening again and again and again and again.............

 

I was heartened to see in this weeks Shetland Times that at least one councillor is willing to declare in public that he thinks his colleagues behaviour needs sorting out.

 

www.shetlandtimes.co.uk/2011/08/12/duncan-unhappy-at-leak-on-purchase-of-residential-building

[angelpie]

Jonathan Wills is like Moby Dick the whale. When he surfaces in Bressay Sound to blow, his enemies are waiting to harpoon him in the back.

 

Actually he's more like captain Ahab. The man who destroys everything around him because he doesn't know when it's a beneficial time to let go of an argument. He would rather die, and kill everyone around him in the process than be seen to lose an arguement, even if its obvious to any sensible person that he's wrong.

 

For example, he was wrong to give a Nazi salute but has he apologied the the public for behaving like a petulant and spoilt 16 year old? No, he decides to justify his bad behaviour by saying "everyone does it" when if fact this is obviously completely untrue and beside the point. This it typical of him.

 

I have also observed in this link the tactics used to cover up for him.

 

1) Deny everything.

2) Admit something happened but it was taken totally out of context.

3) Admit it actually happened as initially described but its in the past and no longer matters.

4) Change the subject.

 

 

Do Jonathan and his cronies really think the voting public are that stupid?

 

Jonathan is not a hapless whale under constant barage whenever he comes up to breath. If he wants people to stop attacking him, he should get himself under control and stop handing them weapons.

 

How difficult is it really to judge that giving a Nazi salute is not wise in a political environment and simply refrain from doing it?

 

Like Napoleon, Jonathan's hubris is his fatal flaw.

[angelpie]

Infiltrator,

 

Another apologist. Until they lock this thread, I'll continue to exercise my right to free speech, thanks. Ironically, I wonder what the good doctor would say in reply if someone addressed him as you have done those of us who disagree with you?

 

If you don't want to read it, don't. Problem solved - for you, at least.

 

Why do folk keep trying to effectively close this thread down? The "lets draw a line under this and move on" brigade obviously extend to Shetland as well.

 

As to the "light hearted intent" of the gesture, and having witnessed Dr W shouting and yelling at a Chair previously (though not Mr Simpson) it seems highly doubtful to me that there was anything light hearted about it and instead it reflects his true feelings towards what he seems to regard as the unholy cabal at the head of the Council. Don't tell me he was trying to good humoredly "puncture a situation". I simply don't believe that. It was a dig, pure and simple because he felt slighted over the procedure and then he lost his vote (12 to 4 wasn't it?).

 

I'm sure he can represent his ward, and I'm sure he does represent his ward, but these outbursts and this display of unacceptable conduct, along with his disregard for the code of conduct (where it applies to him), keep getting in the way.

 

I think yo've hit the nail on the head.