car security

[shetlandpeat]

 

SP, knowing how to break into someones car is not a bad thing. It is only wrong if it is used in the wrong circumstances.

I break into cars all the time, and would be interested to learn another method.

 

Much to Watson's alarm and disgust, I know many ways of breaking into vehicles; both with and without central locking.

 

 

 

I would like to point out that there is a difference between breaking into a vehicle and gaining lawful entry.

[Sherlock]

Master Peat, my pedantic friend,

 

I would venture that I am better qualified and experienced to pronounce so, regarding any such difference. If a vehicle is secured (i.e. locked), and you overcome the security, whether lawfully or not, this is breaking in to the vehicle. One need not be doing so unlawfully. Utter poppycock.

 

To unlawfully break in to any vehicle - without removing anything or moving the vehicle - is "opening a lockfast place".

 

Have you truly nothing more constructive to do with your time, sir?

 

Your humble - yet amused - servant.

[MDB]

Master Peat, my pedantic friend,

 

I would venture that I am better qualified and experienced to pronounce so, regarding any such difference. If a vehicle is secured (i.e. locked), and you overcome the security, whether lawfully or not, this is breaking in to the vehicle. One need not be doing so unlawfully. Utter poppycock.

 

To unlawfully break in to any vehicle - without removing anything or moving the vehicle - is "opening a lockfast place".

 

Have you truly nothing more constructive to do with your time, sir?

 

Your humble - yet amused - servant.

 

 

LOL, welcome back Sherlock !!!

[Marooned in Maywick]

Master Peat, my pedantic friend,

 

Have you truly nothing more constructive to do with your time, sir?

 

 

[EM]

Why would you want to know how to break into someones vehicle?

I have no wish to use such information, but I consider it very interesting to know about things which are technologically impossible, yet claimed as having been carried out. I am a big believer in education and keeping up to date with technology.

 

That would be wrong, you should not be encouraging folk to divulge such info really.

I disagree completely. If there is a real issue with some kind of security system, the solution invariably lies in dealing with the root problem, not in attempting to supress the information. If a technology has a vulnerable backdoor, people using it have a right to know about it, rather than just those who are exploiting it. It is just the same with cyber security.

[shetlandpeat]

I would not divulge any weakness in my security. Why would you want to do that?

 

I sometimes do not have anything to do, I have moments where there are gaps between tasks. Some tasks are important, others not, but you have to be really honest and wonder, who really cares. I know you don't. If you did, that would mean you too have nothing better to do...

 

All is a diversion, but the end result is always the same.

[Sherlock]

Out of some sense of public duty, perhaps, Master Peat? There are those still, even in these benighted times in which we find ourselves, who think of others, as well as - or even before - themselves, and might wish to warn them, so as to take additional precautions, if such flights of fancy were true.

 

Or so I like to believe. Maybe that last Meerschaum of Master Barratt's finest was stronger than I believed...?

 

Personally, I care about each task I undertake, and each statement I make. However, in those odd moments when I have no nefarious schemes to foil, or missing heiresses to find, I fill my time with attempts at the viola, or shooting Her Majesty's initials on to the study wall using my son's rubber dart gun.

 

I would recommend such, as it appears slightly more constructive than your own efforts.

 

(A light jest, sir... I think )

 

Your humble servant.

[EM]

I would not divulge any weakness in my security. Why would you want to do that?.

Altruism.

 

I sometimes do not have anything to do,

That figures.

 

All is a diversion, but the end result is always the same.

Om, Om, Hari Rama, Rama Krishna...

[shetlandpeat]

I don't think knowing how someone got into their car is for the greater good. You could PM the OP, which could then reveal results instead of expecting them to divulge in public. There seems to be at least 3 who do not know how it was done. I would bet there were more. Security maintained.

And now creedist comments.

[Gibber]

Master Peat, my pedantic friend,

 

If a vehicle is secured (i.e. locked), and you overcome the security, whether lawfully or not, this is breaking in to the vehicle. One need not be doing so unlawfully. Utter poppycock.

 

Doesn't that mean when the AA are called out to open your car door because the keys are locked in they are acting unlawfully?

[Sherlock]

Master Gibber,

 

No sir, it does not. Indeed, it CAN not, unless said representative of the Automobile Association is doing so without your permission. This is the essence of the "unlawful" aspect. If you know an elderly neighbour who has locked themselves out of their house, yet has left a first floor window open, and they petition you to climb up a ladder and in through this window on their behalf, as they are physically unable to do so, would this be unlawful, do you think?

 

The question is rhetorical, Master Peat. Permission has been provided to act in such a manner, yet the house has still been broken into, albeit lawfully, in that the security has been overcome.

 

Unless the Automobile Association representative is doing so without your knowledge and permission, and with felonious intent, there is no unlawful aspect to their actions, else the Association would not permit their staff to act in such a manner.

 

Here endeth the leshon (as Master Connery would say).

 

On the subject of altruism, if you own a vehicle with central locking and I, as your friend (are we not all friends here?) known of a simple and widespread method for overcoming the security of the vehicle, I would think it my duty to inform you of this, so that you might take further precautions - even if this is merely to remove valuables from the vehicle whilst parked, secured and unattended.

 

And, once again, Master Peat, I would suggest that if the method is available on the Web, it could be said to be widespread, as a simple perusal of a reliable search engine page would find reference to same. Following your logic, it might be argued that the originator was irresponsible in even mentioning such a thing, in the first instance. (I wonder how many checked "Google", and the like, for references to the non-existent method? ).

 

It does not take a detective, I believe, to ascertain that you and Master EM enjoy the odd verbal joust...

 

Your humble servant

[Gibber]

No sir, it does not.

 

I thought that was SP's point though? in view of unconventional ways to open a locked car door it depends upon circumstance whether it is unlawful.....

 

I would like to point out that there is a difference between breaking into a vehicle and gaining lawful entry.

 

I don't understand much of SP's grammatical scrambled manglings but when he is making a clear point he should be praised for it not called a pedant.

[Gibber]

Much to Watson's alarm and disgust, I know many ways of breaking into vehicles; both with and without central locking.

 

On the subject of altruism, if you own a vehicle with central locking and I, as your friend (are we not all friends here?) known of a simple and widespread method for overcoming the security of the vehicle, I would think it my duty to inform you of this, so that you might take further precautions - even if this is merely to remove valuables from the vehicle whilst parked, secured and unattended.

 

And, once again, Master Peat, I would suggest that if the method is available on the Web, it could be said to be widespread,

 

Are you going to tell us which of these methods that you know and are on the web (or even just widespread generally) work? I'd be interested personally, and also so we can all take the necessary precautions against unlawful entry.

 

The last time I broke into a car (obviously I've only done it lawfully) was a mk2 Golf with a coat hanger down the side of the door. A screwdriver in the ignition would start it too.

[Marooned in Maywick]

I once had to call on Sherlock's colleagues to enable me to gain access to my locked car - keys in ignition.

 

After some Hmming and hawing and, I suspect, wanting me to look in the other direction, I asked if they had any keys whatsoever on them knowing the security of the car to be somewhat suspect.

 

One of them produced - I kid you not - the keys that allowed access to the Clickimin helipad landing lights(At least that's what they told me they were for).

 

Much to their surprise I simply inserted the key as one would do with the correct one, turned it and, hey presto, central locking unlocked.

[Sherlock]

Master Maywick,

 

There is no training provided to Officers - to my knowledge - in respect of such things. It is a matter of experience, and interest in such matters. Your account amuses me, however it does not surprise me greatly.

 

I had experience from former employment, then, upon joining the good fight, I had the benefit of a tutor constable with a strong road traffic background, who studied such matters, and passed on his interest to me. On a professional level, this has extended to domestic security also.

 

Which brings me to Master Gibber. In a word, sir, no. I shall not pass on my knowledge, as much of this is not readily available to members of the public. Much as an AA or RAC engineer will not (usually) discuss such matters, for the same reasons.

 

As to the pedantry, where an individual feels the need to score points off another over matters, which most, if not all, would already accept, understand and take for granted, without the need for condescension or "superior" comments, I would submit that - at least in this matter - the comment made qualifies as pedantic.

 

Another of Sir Arthur's maxims, which holds true even now...

"when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."

 

As ever, I remain,

 

Your humble servant.