car security

[Sherlock]

Try asking them.

 

I describe it as other people's altruism. I would not class it as a duty, it is a choice.

 

As to my duty, I perform it very well, thank you. Nothing - except ill health - prevents me from doing so, and I take pride in it, as I do in all my colleagues.

[Gibber]

Try asking them.

 

I'm sure their answer would be because it gives people the means to break into cars.

[Sherlock]

You're presuming again. Tut.

 

Anyway, to return to the body of this thread, there exists no such method of breaking into vehicles, so the security of cars in Shetland remains unaffected.

 

 

Your humble servant.

[Evil Inky]

Master EM and Master Caster's altruistic spirits are - increasingly - all too rare in our "don't get invloved" society, where to provide information to the Police of ANY crime, regardless of the victim or scale of offending, is to be despised as being "a grass".

 

Something to be mourned, I believe.

 

Serious question: would you shop one of your colleagues if they occasionally gave a rapist or child molester a "slap" in the back of a police car? And how do you think that would go down with the rest of your fellow officers?

[Sherlock]

This is between my conscience and I.

 

My conscience is clear.

 

I have ever been my own man, sir.

 

I shall comment no more on the matter save to say no one is above the law. If you believe otherwise, there are other professions.

 

Your humble servant.

[Gibber]

You're presuming again. Tut.

 

Yes, correctly.

[Sherlock]

In fact, I shall comment further on your questions, sir, which - to my mind - stretch the boundaries of any familiarity beyond what most, if not any others here have been asked.

 

Each and every one of the Officers with whom I have had the honour and privilege to serve, throughout my career, have been of a like mind. To act as you describe, while it may appear tempting to you, at least, would run the risk of providing cause for any case brought against such an offender to fall, thereby allowing them to remain free and at large, to possibly re-offend again. To take pleasure in such a moment is to possibly make a victim of another.

 

I know no one who would behave in such a manner.

 

Then there is the presumption of guilt. It is not for me to decide upon guilt. Along with every Officer, I am an agent in gathering any and all available

evidence, both for and against a suspect or accused, and to effect the detention and/or arrest of any such person, where there is a sufficiency of

evidence against them.

 

If I behave in any manner other than objectively, once again, I afford the suspect or accused a line of defence, which is unnecessary and only self-serving.

 

We deal with real life, sir, not some poorly researched, poorly scripted Mockney cop soap, or brooding melodrama with ageing cynical maverick detectives.

 

And I am no judge, nor jury. I am a Constable, sworn to uphold the law and to serve the public. Along with every other Officer in these Isles, and, I would hope, the entire Force, I take that charge very seriously indeed, and I am by no means alone in this.

 

I have not, to date, encountered Judge Dredd in my working life, nor would I have truck with him, should I do so.

 

I am proud of what I do, and of those with whom I have the honour to serve.

 

That SHALL be my final word on the matter.

 

Your humble servant.

[shetlandpeat]

I would not divulge any weakness in my security. Why would you want to do that?.

Altruism.

 

Which brings me to Master Gibber. In a word, sir, no. I shall not pass on my knowledge, as much of this is not readily available to members of the public.

 

If you are unable to find any reference to methods of breaking into vehicles online, I am delighted, as this removes the likelihood that all and sundry may gain access to such knowledge, and a small percentage thereafter put this to nefarious use.

 

 

This may be why the OP did not want to divulge, I know I would not.

 

I haven't been called Master since I was 12, perhaps a looking through the half moon glasses syndrome.

 

I have never heard the term legally breaking in but have heard the term gaining legal access. It is not something a law man would write in his statement I think.

 

Why do they not say breaking in in this document??

 

 

The actions of a bailiff lawfully entering a premises

 

http://consumercreditsupport.co.uk/archive/index.php/t-4054.html

 

Anyhow, this string/thread is not really going anywhere?

[scoots]

I think that's what the man has been trying to say for a wee while now.

[Sudden Stop]

This thread has reminded me of a very long cold night that taught me to pay attention to where I lay my car keys.

 

Having a tool box in the boot of the car with a chisel and lump hammer in it, I'd volunteered that I'd be able to get into (lawfully BTW) the money box at work that we'd lost the key for. Having opened the boot to fish out the required tools, I had managed to lay the keys down inside the boot and close the hatch. Several hours later (after my barwork shift had finished) and about to go home, I was left outside my car with no keys, no way home and a chisel in one hand and a hammer in the other.

 

Not wanting to break the window (the keys were in the boot anyway and not accessable from inside the car) I figured I'd be able to 'pop' the boot lock in through the sheet metal of the boot hatch and manually trigger the boot release.

 

Many wallops later the boot lock was still looking pretty good, unlike my chances and I had started swearing to myself. Now, the situation must have looked expectionally suspicious and my activities had not gone unnoticed by the local residents. Along came the boys in blue to persuade me to desist from my breaking (in)...

 

They must have been surprised that I was really, really pleased to see them. Of course, after the whole situation had been explained and after they had explained that 'no, they couldn't help me break in.' - I was no longer pleased to see them. They toddled off with a tint of a chuckle leaving me to my misery.

 

Moral of the story - breaking to a modern car is a really sucky way to spend an evening and the police are (in my experience) unwilling/unable to help you.

 

 

 

ps I eventually had to swallow my manly, hammer wielding pride and phone to wake up the missus to explain why she'd have to come and collect me.

[EM]

This may be why the OP did not want to divulge,

Or perhaps it is because they are unable to do so, due to its impossibility. If the OP's statement was true, then it really is a remarkable breakthrough in the field of physics; something the scientific community will be most interested in finding out about.

 

I have never heard the term legally breaking in but have heard the term gaining legal access.

You have now. Perhaps you should learn from the experience rather than persevering with a life in denial.

 

Why do they not say breaking in in this document??

The actions of a bailiff lawfully entering a premises

http://consumercreditsupport.co.uk/archive/index.php/t-4054.html

Have you actually read it? Nothing in that document is remotely at odds with Sherlock's rigorous explanations. Mostly distinction is being made between "peaceful" and "forced" entry, and the cases where each is considered legally acceptable. When appropriate (unlike in most of the clauses) the term "break open" is indeed used.

 

Anyhow, this string/thread is not really going anywhere?

The eternal and pointless string term again. Why oh why oh why do you inflict this spam on the world?

[Sherlock]

Master Peat,

 

If you ever have the opportunity, at least in Scotland - and I sincerely hope you do not - read a Search Warrant some time. It makes reference to "break open any lockfast place" (from memory), and requires to be signed by a Sheriff or Justice of the Peace. And this is a legal document! Gasp! Imagine!!

 

Sir, I now consider this matter closed. If you wish to argue some more, do so with some other party.

 

Must dash, my nightly Punjana is calling.

 

Your humble (bored) servant.

[Evil Inky]

I am proud of what I do, and of those with whom I have the honour to serve.

 

That SHALL be my final word on the matter.

 

Your humble servant.

 

A pity, because I didn't intend to question your personal morality, but to explore how a police officier who "grasses on a bent copper" would be treated by his colleagues.

 

I doubt they'd get a standing ovation next time they went into the police canteen, and I suggest that this contrasts sharply with your exhortation for the general public to grass on their peers.

[Sherlock]

You misjudge my colleagues, sir. There have been historical instances where Officers, including the most junior, have reported what they perceived to be misconduct and breaches of regulations. There has been no comeback on these Officers, even when those reported have been exonerated, following enquiry.

 

And, in my experience, no Officer in their right mind wishes to be the subject of a misconduct enquiry!!

 

Most, if not all, Officers believe in what we do, and - in my experience - would have the strength of character to challenge poor conduct or criminal behaviour in their fellows. They also have the support of senior Officers, in doing so. If we believe ourselves to be above the Law, the whole system fails, sir. There is a rigorous requirement for challenge and openness. This is not the Police service of the 70s, 80s, or even the 90s. I am, once again, proud to say that

this Force has never really suffered from such a problem on any significant scale. Indeed, this Force outperforms every other, in Scotland, on a regular basis, and this Area Command has outperformed others, within the Force, for quite some considerable time now.

 

Once again, I would assure you, we do not conduct ourselves as do our dramatic television counterparts.

 

Suffice to say, and in the spirit of Juvenals, we who ARE the watchmen, watch one another, even - and as rigorously - as we watch you. And, in my experience, we do it well.

 

I hope this may now be an end to it, sir.

 

Your humble servant.

 

Post scriptum

 

There is that awful word again. "grass". If you had knowledge of a child molester, and passed this to the Police, does this make you a "grass". It implies someone who does something wrong or seedy (no pun intended). Far from the truth, where it is, in my experience, someone obeying a moral code and sense of duty to their peers or family, doing something RIGHT. I mentioned that this Area Command outperforms others. This is often due to the community involvement in these Isles, where good folk, who have such knowledge, refuse to stand by and let others get away with damaging a community by their actions and crimes.

 

Good folk, sir, NOT "grasses".

 

If someone broke into your home, sir, and "trashed the place", stealing all your hard earned goods, leaving no evidence to trace them, yet a single neighbour had witnessed them leaving abd could identify them, would you label him or her a "grass" if they provided you and the Police with said evidence and your goods were recovered?

 

It is a disappointing mindset to encounter, and yet, I do so regularly, herein. If everyone in Shetland viewed it this way, I fear our performance would be greatly and negatively affected. I am happy to say that such is not the case.

[Piddly]

Loving your posts Sherlock, breath of fresh air