Religions on Education committee

[Guest posiedon]

^ You just don't get it do you?

[Spinner72]

how about giving them the benifit of the doubt and allowing them to investigate but they will need a complaint from a person that attended.

 

The problem is, if the person doing the investigating is also a christian, catholic or whatever denomination, they will be blinded to the virtually irreparable mental damage done as to them it will be "normal". Let alone that fact that if they *do* find anyone to be in the wrong all they will have to do is pray for forgiveness and everything will be fine!!!

 

To help bring things back on topic, however, this kind of thing does happen in schools already, and having religion represented on the education board almost makes certain it it will continue.

 

It is the integration of religion and real teaching which is most disturbing. When your young child comes home telling you they have to read the bible or they will go to hell, it is so very difficult explain to them that that particular thing is rubbish, and the person who told them was lying, then expect them to trust other things they are being taught.

 

The fact is that teaching any religion as fact to young bairns in any fashion is simply wrong, on every level.

[GypsyScy]

My lass knows Jesus was born in a stable..... behind Rapunzels tower and next door to the seven dwarves.......

[shetlandpeat]

As this forum hold no jurisdiction, perhaps it may be too much to demand that others publish their details.

 

 

I still do not see how a camp in Sumburgh has bearing on the membership of a Committee.

 

I have always been worried about religion, especially the killing bit, for make believe icons. It is when it is used to twist rather than to turn that bothers me.

I think that religions may be borne from general rules of a group of folk. Most of the 10 commandments are about keeping a peaceful community.

In these times there will always be the zealots, the thing that gets my goat is when it involves vast amount of money.

 

Being a country that has laws made by the Landed and the Spiritual we have grown up with this. I did hate RE when I was young, it belittled other beliefs and faiths, living near Southall there were so many to choose from, they all seemed great.

 

Some folk may not be able to deal with the fact that we just "turn off" when our body lets us down. I think too it would be wrong to deny folk a faith.

[EM]

just because something is run by christians does not mean that its bad.

Given the amount of chronically terrible "baggage" Christianity and the other faiths have accumulated over the millenia, I take the view that their involvement in all societal activities is, by default, bad. Anything they do which is in the "touchy feely" good PR category could be done by non-theistic organisations, and, in my opinion, the results would be better due to the lack of dogma.

 

j... for every ott born again there are some really nice folks trying there best to do stuff for the folks on shetland.

Great. Hope they keep being nice. There is, however, nothing about religion which is required for people to be nice. All the good deeds carried out by religious people could be carried out without any need for them to to sign up for any religious creed. On the other hand, choosing to belong to a religion requires belief in, and acceptance of, many concepts which enlightened people generally abhor.

[Spinner72]

Some folk may not be able to deal with the fact that we just "turn off" when our body lets us down. I think too it would be wrong to deny folk a faith.

 

Absolutely. I have no problem with the good work many ministers etc do with the older members of the community, and obviously if anyone chooses to turn to religion because it helps them in any way when they are an adult that is also fine. Their choice.

 

However, it has no place in schools, other than an overview of the role religion in general has played in various historical events if required.

 

As such, I fail to see how having people in charge of education simply because of their beliefs will help in any way.

 

The odd thing is, apparently the board in question has operated perfectly well for many years. Surely that is good enough reason to carry on as they are and propose an amendment to the, frankly, silly law in the meantime.

[Ghostrider]

To help bring things back on topic, however, this kind of thing does happen in schools already, and having religion represented on the education board almost makes certain it it will continue.

 

The education board having non-voting religious advisers to ensure as far as possible clashes between proposed education practices and religious practices were avoided, I could live with. Its having voting members on the board, for no other reason than they are connected to certain religions I can't stand. Potentially you'll end up with a situation similar to what existed 20-30 years ago with the licensing board, when quite often the teetotal and those sympathetic to them were in the majority at a vote. New licenses and extended hours were gotten as easily as hen's teeth, and so will anyhing not in favour with the religious (christian) majority within education circles.

[Ghostrider]

however for every ott born again there are some really nice folks trying there best to do stuff for the folks on shetland.

 

I don't doubt it, and good for them. However, there is also the oft repeated old Shetland observation, that someone had "received more christian charity from a man that had never seen the back side of a kirk door, than they'd ever received from all of those who had", or similar words to the same effect.

[unlinkedstudent]

Does anyone reckon this Committee would put The Da Vinci Code on the syllabus then?

 

Perish the thought, they might consider it a good idea to give detention to kids caught playing Suzi Quatro's Devil Gate Drive or Cliff Richard's Devil Woman on their MP3 players!

 

 

Edit: That's it, I'm doomed. I'm falling prey to temptation and about to youtube Devil Gate Drive.

[Para Handy]

Well here is the new Education Committee

 

The Viking Energy Counclors

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Shetland Charitable Trust Counclors

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The Lib Dem Counclors

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[MJ]

Does anyone reckon this Committee would put The Da Vinci Code on the syllabus then?

 

Are you kidding it's a dreadful book? The guy can only write for Americans.

 

Anyway as folks know fine well, or should do, the committee has no effect as to what goes into the curriculum/syllabus that is set in Edinburgh.

This thread has become a place for militant Atheists to preach against Christianity. If some of the same things had been said of a local Mosque or Synagogue the thread would have been locked.

But Christianity is fair game?

Atheism is a Religion and one I'd not like preached at my child, but unfortunately everywhere she goes she gets unwanted lectures from folk who know best.

In school being a Christian is like putting a sign above your head saying "Victim", is it any wonder if this is some of the bile children are being indoctrinated with at home?

[shetlandpeat]

What ever good Religious groups do, someone will always find a negative. Some here in other strings/threads have mocked beliefs to score points.

I see Buddhists feeding the homeless on the streets of London, Sikhs take in folk at celebration times, Hindus feeding the poor and supporting them in their temples, I see Muslims supporting the poor and campaigning for a fairer society, Christians of all denominations out on the streets as Street Pastors.

The many hospices and rest homes run by these groups. What they have which others can envy is a community. I am sure that folk will respond in a negative way to this.

All this hatred from a few to a few. The folk you use as an example does not really reflect societies view. Places of worship are still busy in places.

 

To have a wider view on society is a good thing. To let others enjoy their lives and have the right to that life without the continual spew of hatred is another.

 

Personally I think it is a good thing to have a balanced view. Folk who have Faith should also be represented.

 

I wonder if the growing lack of a Faith or a Belief is linked to the increase in a lack of respect in our society for others?

[scoots]

"But Christianity is fair game? "

 

I'm sorely tempted to say turnabout is fair play...

 

but no, you're right. As others have said, like all religions it's a matter of choice. I'm not going to go round telling others they're wrong - unless they're trying to tell my kids that I am. That's the essence here for me. As long as no Protestant/Christian agenda is pushed through schools as a result of this, I don't have a huge problem. After all if folk here don't know this guy and trust him, the same can be said for more than a few of our councillors.

 

And don't forget, there will be two more religious reps on board? They could be from local Muslim community and Baha'i for all we know. Will they qualify for the same vilification, I wonder?

 

As long as they keep the garbage that was taught at this camp out of our schools (images from "The Passion"? For the love o the wee man, that's brutalising kids!!) I don't have a real problem.

 

Maybe it's time to stop kicking the Christians? If they're wrong, we will all find out soon enough...

[Seaflech]

Atheism is a Religion and one I'd not like preached at my child

 

No, no and thrice no.

From the dictionary:

Religion

noun

1.

a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.

2.

a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.

3.

the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions.

4.

the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.: to enter religion.

5.

the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.

 

Atheism

noun

1.

the doctrine or belief that there is no God.

2.

disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings.

 

To say that Atheism is a religion is an oxymoron.

 

 

but unfortunately everywhere she goes she gets unwanted lectures from folk who know best.

 

Hmm, and this never happens with religious people? You can't walk the length of a high street now without being approached by some smug egocentric desperate to 'save' everybody.

 

In school being a Christian is like putting a sign above your head saying "Victim", is it any wonder if this is some of the bile children are being indoctrinated with at home?

 

Now replace the word 'Christian' with the word 'Atheist,' and your sentence makes a lot more sense. This is when, if you'll pardon the pun, holier-than-thou Christians think that if there is an Atheist in their midst then it is they as Christians that have failed because they haven't tried hard enough for this poor 'victim.'

[MJ]

To say that Atheism is a religion is an oxymoron.

 

Which is true, Atheism is an oxymoron.

It is a Religion. It is a strong belief that often it's followers preach.

 

Being Agnostic myself I find it one of the hardest Religions to deal with.