scoots Posted November 16, 2011 Report Share Posted November 16, 2011 Scorrie, A wonderful account, which illustrates what the day is all about. Nothing more, but certainly nothing less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibber Posted November 17, 2011 Report Share Posted November 17, 2011 On a more personal note, about five years ago when in Egypt I ended up talking to a foreign gentleman in a bar whilst watching rugby. A decent bloke. I was introduced to him by a bunch of ex-military Aussies who were with him.It turned out after a short discussion that he was a fighter pilot engaged directly against me and my immediate colleagues in a little shenanigans many years ago. What would you have done, my friend? Ignored him? Raged against the aggressive politics of his nation? Punched him? We shook hands and he proposed a toast to those who did not return. I raised my glass with him. He had a job to do and so did I. Nothing personal. You either 'get it' - or you don't. A german fighter pilot from WW2? I'd have told him to go f himself. I don't forgive that unless he had a very good reason for not landing his aircraft in Switzerland or Britain if he didn't share the 'aggressive politics of his nation', no matter how 'decent' he is or if he was 'only doing his job'. Did he include the 6 million his country and society murdered in cold blood in his toast or just the tally ho, bandits at 6 o'clock noble gladiators of the air brothers in arms from both sides who didn't come back? And reconciliation should be a subject banged into every kids head at school. That way there will be less people foaming at the mouth on internet forums, in pubs and on the street, IMO. If only Chamberlain could have maintiained his appeasement policy Britain and the Nazis would have been conciliated from day 1. That would have been better right? Were there any former or current supporters of National Socialism at the Leek rememberence or were they just doing their jobs in the war oblivious to what the rest of Germany was doing? Someone must have asked right? I would have, first thing I would have said before considering a nice day out tramping around town looking at the local tourist hotspots with them. I guess nobody asked because they just assumed they weren't. Or... just assumed they were. Either way, best not to mention it when everyone can feel good reconciling together for a couple of days. I'd take anger over that any day, but that's because I don't get it I suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EM Posted November 17, 2011 Report Share Posted November 17, 2011 Did he include the 6 million his country and society murdered in cold blood6 million? Looks like you are ignoring quite a few for some reason. Double that for starters and then some. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorrie Posted November 17, 2011 Report Share Posted November 17, 2011 On a more personal note, about five years ago when in Egypt I ended up talking to a foreign gentleman in a bar whilst watching rugby. A decent bloke. I was introduced to him by a bunch of ex-military Aussies who were with him.It turned out after a short discussion that he was a fighter pilot engaged directly against me and my immediate colleagues in a little shenanigans many years ago. What would you have done, my friend? Ignored him? Raged against the aggressive politics of his nation? Punched him? We shook hands and he proposed a toast to those who did not return. I raised my glass with him. He had a job to do and so did I. Nothing personal. You either 'get it' - or you don't. A german fighter pilot from WW2? I'd have told him to go f himself. I don't forgive that unless he had a very good reason for not landing his aircraft in Switzerland or Britain if he didn't share the 'aggressive politics of his nation', no matter how 'decent' he is or if he was 'only doing his job'. Did he include the 6 million his country and society murdered in cold blood in his toast or just the tally ho, bandits at 6 o'clock noble gladiators of the air brothers in arms from both sides who didn't come back? And reconciliation should be a subject banged into every kids head at school. That way there will be less people foaming at the mouth on internet forums, in pubs and on the street, IMO. If only Chamberlain could have maintiained his appeasement policy Britain and the Nazis would have been conciliated from day 1. That would have been better right? Were there any former or current supporters of National Socialism at the Leek rememberence or were they just doing their jobs in the war oblivious to what the rest of Germany was doing? Someone must have asked right? I would have, first thing I would have said before considering a nice day out tramping around town looking at the local tourist hotspots with them. I guess nobody asked because they just assumed they weren't. Or... just assumed they were. Either way, best not to mention it when everyone can feel good reconciling together for a couple of days. I'd take anger over that any day, but that's because I don't get it I suppose. Like I said, so much anger. There's more to Rememberence services than your Nazi fixation. By the way, my 'Egypt' part wasn't meant to be a quote, I don't know how I managed that - that's why I changed it.And it certainly wasn't pulled off another thread somewhere, either. Draw your own conclusion from that But, I know that rationality and a will to move on goes over some folks head online, so I'll respectfully bow out of this thread. I've put my medals away for another year, but that doesn't mean that my experiences and beliefs will be put away with them, as you seem to believe is the case for those who have fought and moved on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibber Posted November 17, 2011 Report Share Posted November 17, 2011 But, I know that rationality and a will to move on goes over some folks head online, You can still be rational and move on yet not be compelled to forgive and forget. To forget is the opposite of rememberence. I've put my medals away for another year, but that doesn't mean that my experiences and beliefs will be put away with them, as you seem to believe is the case for those who have fought and moved on. Rest assured I'm thankful for what you and my grandparents generation did in WW2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peerie Tr00ker Posted November 18, 2011 Report Share Posted November 18, 2011 I thought they did have a 2 minute silence at 11am There was an announcement that they were at the memorial in lerwick then they went silent i went through all the stations i have tuned into my car (all 3 of them) and they were all silent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shetlandpeat Posted November 18, 2011 Report Share Posted November 18, 2011 Friday or Sunday, this post is about Friday 11/11/11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muddypuddle Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 I wear a poppy with pride for the fallen of the two world wars, but do not agree that every conflict thereafter should be included. These are not wars, they are conflicts - Britain choosing to interfere in other people's business, in other people's countries and have should have nothing to do with us.Not the word "choosing" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibber Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 Did he include the 6 million his country and society murdered in cold blood6 million? Looks like you are ignoring quite a few for some reason. Double that for starters and then some. You're right of course, I must have subtracted 6 million faked deaths by mistake. “The reason this is interesting lies in questioning just why there has been so much faking going on.†Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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