Guest Anonymous Posted November 11, 2011 Report Share Posted November 11, 2011 Just so you can understand my views a little better, Allow me to explain... I've served my 'Queen and country' and seen, first hand, The propaganda machine in action from the green side. I know some seriously nasty, disturbed people from the army that some would see as heroes if they'd been killed by an IED. People should not be classed as heroes because some people do heroic acts! @ ShetlandpeatIf you feel so strongly about the Legions charity work why don't you lobby for the government to take responsibility for the service personnel that they put in harms way? @ ParahandyDon't get me wrong.. I'm all up for a fight if it's unavoidable and justified but many died for Mr Blairs little 'faux pas' (an act which I personally feel is treasonous!). [***Mod edit - content removed***] @Paulb"the poppy was part of the hope after the great war for it never to happen again." Almost 100 years on and they're still calling it the 'Great' war.. That's the mentality that supports future conflict. And, It does get used as a political tool...http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=anti%20poppy%20day&source=web&cd=1&sqi=2&ved=0CBsQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.organizedrage.com%2F2010%2F11%2Fpoppy-day-is-monstrosity-because-it.html&ei=gaO9TsPgNsmQ4gTUzfiVBA&usg=AFQjCNGiTgSHfWhQSZcrtW3leZatuoQuGg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjohnson1985 Posted November 11, 2011 Report Share Posted November 11, 2011 but sibc did have a two minuite silence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shetlandpeat Posted November 11, 2011 Report Share Posted November 11, 2011 I do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuckleJoannie Posted November 11, 2011 Report Share Posted November 11, 2011 @ ShetlandpeatIf you feel so strongly about the Legions charity work why don't you lobby for the government to take responsibility for the service personnel that they put in harms way? A friend of mine was doing a house to house collection for the poppy appeal when he met someone who had not been born in the UK. After getting an explanation about what the money collected was used for the person gave him a surprised look and said "You mean your government doesn't do that already?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shetlandpeat Posted November 11, 2011 Report Share Posted November 11, 2011 GOV did contribute to charities to do certain jobs and tasks. So though they did not directly do them, they paid for quite a bit. This was only brought into the media because of the cuts to these same charities of funding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted November 12, 2011 Report Share Posted November 12, 2011 ^^ You bothered to post that the British government not only gave minimal support to ex-service personnel but it's now been cut because of economics? Aren't you embarrassed?The same system that will eventually persecute people with my views as being 'unpatriotic', will continue to forget about 'the heroes' except for 1 week of the year. Wearing a poppy in parliament isn't enough! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shetlandpeat Posted November 12, 2011 Report Share Posted November 12, 2011 ^^ You bothered to post that the British government not only gave minimal support to ex-service personnel but it's now been cut because of economics? Erm, I think that is quite obvious. Funding has slowly been eaten away and removed in some cases. Many of the homeless are ex military that I meet and many are in our prisons.Yet it is the public that has let this happen. If the public do not want to get involved, it can take a while to turn it around. When you meet folk who have had their life messed up because the passenger in their landrover in N.I. had his brains blown out all over him by a sniper, then discharged into this world without any meaningful follow up or help and watch him constantly get in trouble, you wonder why folk do not get more involved to put it right. To many, donating to wear a poppy is the only way they know how.It is only recently that the attention has been brought back to this subject, by the setting up of more charities. Perhaps the only way is for there to be no charities, then the GOV will have to do something, the harm that would do would to folk would not be worth the price. The MOD are not known for their caring side, saying that, the charities are stretched now. If you were in need, you would get regular visits from the Legion and in the case of RAF personnel the RAFA. This seems not to happen, well not in my family. Back on subject now, the commercial station I am forced to listen to did have the 2 min silence. Though now there is a claim that SIBC did observe the silence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted November 12, 2011 Report Share Posted November 12, 2011 ^^ Sorry if you thought I was taking the p**s mate but It's something I feel very strongly about. I fully agree that, although they do great work, the charity culture in this country has alleviated our government of their responsibilities. Not just in the disgraceful abandonment of the ones they wear a red badge for once a year, But in all sector of vulnerable and unsupported citizens.When the government come-rattling a collection box for missiles... I'll know the coffers are dry! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shetlandpeat Posted November 12, 2011 Report Share Posted November 12, 2011 I understand your sentiment. Preston is full of military and is proud of its history.The sad part is that the army will recruit in the poorer areas for foot soldiers. Then they are discharged, generally angry young men.It is the mental health of these men that is damaged by the training, on the otherhand, they need to be trained to remove feeling when carrying out the nitty gritty part of their orders. Some are able to control it but others, like you say, are only heroes once they have fallen. It has been going on for years, I do feel it is the product of the beast, there may be little you can do sometimes to control it.I have, very slowly mind, been working my way through the chaps buried at The Knab. Finding out a little of their fate and in some cases, the sadness behind it, though I have heard one amusing tale.I also think that if colour film was popular before 1939, we may have a different thought about war. I will be in the parade here, I will be wearing my Dads blazer and be armed with thoughts of my Grandad and Great Uncles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bug Posted November 12, 2011 Report Share Posted November 12, 2011 I saw no two minutes silence on Shetlink either. So here it is for you. Now don't forget how we got to where we are. Wear that poppy with pride for the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shetlandpeat Posted November 12, 2011 Report Share Posted November 12, 2011 This one is easier, just press play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shetlandpeat Posted November 12, 2011 Report Share Posted November 12, 2011 well the debate has burst into public. The Telegraph has a piece.. Wounded soldiers' 'jobs at risk' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George. Posted November 12, 2011 Report Share Posted November 12, 2011 There will be very few people around now that can remember anyone involved in WW1 and the number of folk that can relate to WW2 is shrinking massively. Is it therefore not about time to remember it as history now, perhaps continue to teach what was learned but give up on the two minutes silence. It's too long gone now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyboy Posted November 12, 2011 Report Share Posted November 12, 2011 i think its good to have the 2 minutes silence. A wee time to pause and reflect. I also wear a poppy as a rememberance not to glorify war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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