If Scotland became independant, what would Shetland do?

[shetlandpeat]

The 60 million is based on the figures as now, or when the survey was done.

 

You are then assuming if Shetland were to leave Scotland there would be a the same reduction in taxes, yet, fuel duty is too high, that would then eat into your 60 million. There are other issues, Scotland would have to get a good deal, however, as with Ireland, it would have to retain the monetary system and the national debt would have to be shared out. On top of that, the RBS scandal still needs to be sorted out. Scotland would not gain all the tax revenues from the Oil.

It seems that local fisher folk have somewhat tarnished the reputation of the Isles to boot.

 

Scotland may not want to give up Shetland. It ain't really in your hands to sort out as such a minority.

 

As this is just debate and learning from debate, there is no need to try to insult folk Dratsy as you have shown so eloquently in the past as having an aptitude for. And also have failed to apologise for.

 

On that subject, how much will it cost to protect the shores? There are many other subjects too in the equation. The social care, benefits and it has also been reported on the radio, the amount of folk who have said they will leave Scotland if it does gain independence.

All the figures quoted are a start, but thought must be put into the evolving figures, the cost of the change, firstly the cost to gain Scottish independence and then the cost that Shetland would need to pay for for theirs, the good thing will be the exchange rate, as you will all still be using pounds and the Queen will still be head of State.

[paulb]

Scotland may not want to give up Shetland. It ain't really in your hands to sort out as such a minority.

same argument really. if scotland gets independance from the uk by a settled vote of thier people. shetland has the same right. shetland was part of an independant scotland for a lesser period that scotland was part of the uk.

 

If shetland chooses to become part of the remaining uk or a seperate country or even to become a crown dependancy then that will be our choice. sadly for you pete you will not have a say. unless you come home. we could use your political skills up here.

 

salmond can't argue its scotlands right but we don't have that right. personaly it would be better if we were to do this if orkney came with us.

 

in relation to the eu no way should he be sighning up to anything until the people have spoken he should not send scotland running into the mess of the eu for quite some time.

[shetlandpeat]

I will have a vote, according to Dratsy votes will be allocated on past family, then she added that I may need some sort of property, that is not hard to do. I could rent a council house.

 

Ah yes, Orkney. That too is a good point.

 

It was also mentioned on the radio that the UK would have to give up Scotland, there is no mechanism for Scotland to break away, a civil war perhaps, many of the feared regiments come from Scotland. As Scotland will need a monarch still, these guys would have to break their oath to the Queen. About 80% of the SAS come from Scotland too, perhaps Shetland, if demanding its own right to exist may want to ask nicely.

[paulb]

we have a navy well until tuesday and a thousand men in drag would put the fear into any special forces that scotland wanted to send.

[shetlandpeat]

we have a navy well until tuesday and a thousand men in drag would put the fear into any special forces that scotland wanted to send.

 

[Dratsy]

The 60 million is based on the figures as now, or when the survey was done.

 

You are then assuming if Shetland were to leave Scotland there would be a the same reduction in taxes, yet, fuel duty is too high, that would then eat into your 60 million. There are other issues, Scotland would have to get a good deal, however, as with Ireland, it would have to retain the monetary system and the national debt would have to be shared out. On top of that, the RBS scandal still needs to be sorted out. Scotland would not gain all the tax revenues from the Oil.

It seems that local fisher folk have somewhat tarnished the reputation of the Isles to boot.

 

Scotland may not want to give up Shetland. It ain't really in your hands to sort out as such a minority.

 

As this is just debate and learning from debate, there is no need to try to insult folk Dratsy as you have shown so eloquently in the past as having an aptitude for. And also have failed to apologise for.

 

On that subject, how much will it cost to protect the shores? There are many other subjects too in the equation. The social care, benefits and it has also been reported on the radio, the amount of folk who have said they will leave Scotland if it does gain independence.

All the figures quoted are a start, but thought must be put into the evolving figures, the cost of the change, firstly the cost to gain Scottish independence and then the cost that Shetland would need to pay for for theirs, the good thing will be the exchange rate, as you will all still be using pounds and the Queen will still be head of State.

 

for all your waffle pete you still have not grasped the meaning of "net surplus"

 

as for being insulting pete you think your pretty good at that yourself.

[Dratsy]

and then the cost that Shetland would need to pay for for theirs,

 

well pete with a 200mile/median line sea border for Shetland and I'll pay it out my pension

[crofter]

The 60 million is based on the figures as now, or when the survey was done.

 

You are then assuming if Shetland were to leave Scotland there would be a the same reduction in taxes,

 

I am not assuming anything. Merely pointing out your errors.

 

If Shetland were independent, do you not think somebody would have the wit to build a refinery? Fuel duty? Why would there be any?

[crofter]

The 60 million is based on the figures as now, or when the survey was done.

 

2006 I think, so almost 6 years out of date. We are paying more than 60,000,000 now. Shetland economy currently turning over around half a billion per year. UK as a whole - GDP falling, but the Shetland economy continues growing.

[shetlandpeat]

Can you include the oil figures in that? Will you think you will retain the full tax receipts once Scotland declares independence, and then again if Shetland were ever given permission to go it alone?

The 60 million profit (as of 2006) will be eaten into by the sharing of the oil receipts. They also need, apparently to pay Dratsies pension as well.

 

Still, no mention of paying the Shetland share of the national debt which it will have.

 

As Shetland will be Scotlands cash cow, do you think you would be able to gain such independence as to spend the claimed 500 million? On the figures you claim, maybe not.

[Dratsy]

The tax revenue from oil is not included in the figures pete neither is revenue from selling the fishing rights. And self determination is the right of everyone not just the scoty. International boundries are decided by internagional law, not fat eck in edinburgh. So if we deide to go our own way the oil and fish are ours.

[shetlandpeat]

Not quite right there. It ia a simplistic view but would not reflect the reality of any movement away from initially UK control. You would not just be able to take anything.

[Njugle]

Tentatively stepping into this thread having not noticed a couple of things being mentioned:

 

Salmond keeps reiterating the point that he has absolute mandate from the Scottish people to seek an independence referendum at least, provided by the last electoral results... It would seem apparent that any such mandate was not provided from this part of the country.

 

Secondly, did anyone notice Lord Caithness's tabled amendment, for Orkney, Shetland and Rockall to remain part of the UK? This would retain the status quo for Shetland as a regional entity, in a manner previously agreed by Westminster in the 70s. No requirement for complete independence, but greater devolved autonomy with Holyrood out of the equation?

[MuckleJoannie]

The Conservatives do have our interests at heart

 

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/bills/lbill/2010-2012/0079/amend/am079-o.htm

 

(2D) A vote in a referendum held under subsection (2B) of this section which results in Scotland leaving the United Kingdom shall not be binding on the residents of the Orkney Islands or the Shetland Islands unless a majority of the residents of the Orkney Islands and the Shetland Islands who voted in such a referendum voted that Scotland should leave the United Kingdom.

 

Or is it just the oil they're after?

 

Thinking more about this oil may well play a big part in the economic equation. I seem to recall that if current standards were used to set international boundaries 70% of UK oil would be in Shetland waters. How Shetland votes could matter.

[George.]

Secondly, did anyone notice Lord Caithness's tabled amendment, for Orkney, Shetland and Rockall to remain part of the UK? This would retain the status quo for Shetland as a regional entity, in a manner previously agreed by Westminster in the 70s. No requirement for complete independence, but greater devolved autonomy with Holyrood out of the equation?

 

Has anyone considered the Earl of Caithness's chances of being declared sane!!!