does it do any good

[Para Handy]

Not until all drunk drivers have there car crushed. Even! if they still have to pay any finance agreement back regardless to how long it takes and banned from driving for life

[Dratsy]

the law states that unlike with drink where there is a set limit of alcohol in your system your driving ability has to be impaired due to drugs and this is impossible to prove in a court of law because all you have to say is you were very tired and the cops stressed you out with their tests and hey presto not guilty.

[vadger]

drug induced psychosis is a recognised regularly occurring condition rife among hash heads n come up wi any half baked arguement want , thats fact. As is these dreepsit moaniments warbling on a lot of tripe to the gullable natives , so how the hell anybody can claim the high ground n imagine thats totally harmless is beyond logic . Only thing i see the lowest level druggies good at is claiming , being late , doin the barest minimum , but put enormous effort into manipulating words and scenarios and talking total urine

 

are you sure your not on something that rambling nonsense is worthy of Shetlandpeat

 

attack is the only defence , point proven methinks

[vadger]

the law states that unlike with drink where there is a set limit of alcohol in your system your driving ability has to be impaired due to drugs and this is impossible to prove in a court of law because all you have to say is you were very tired and the cops stressed you out with their tests and hey presto not guilty.

 

ok , in a hypothetical situation a hash head psychotic manages lie thier way into a taxi licence and runs around stunned pedalling pot and powders and you've just given them an excuse to get off if they are ever taken to book about it ? , first part of the hypothetical situation is probable reality , second totally unlikely

[Dratsy]

the law states that unlike with drink where there is a set limit of alcohol in your system your driving ability has to be impaired due to drugs and this is impossible to prove in a court of law because all you have to say is you were very tired and the cops stressed you out with their tests and hey presto not guilty.

 

ok , in a hypothetical situation a hash head psychotic manages lie thier way into a taxi licence and runs around stunned pedalling pot and powders and you've just given them an excuse to get off if they are ever taken to book about it ? , first part of the hypothetical situation is probable reality , second totally unlikely

 

No vadger a weak and useless law is what lets them get off with it. if it is driving under the influence, the selling of illegal substances is a different matter.

[Dratsy]

drug induced psychosis is a recognised regularly occurring condition rife among hash heads n come up wi any half baked arguement want

 

now lets have a look at this statement.

 

Drug induced psychosis may indeed occur but let me tell you once again that I know very many folk that smoke pot and yet I know more psychos that don't smoke pot than do,

Growing up in Shetland means I have known these folk all my and their lives and have been a witness to their behaviour for a long time, and those psychotics that do smoke pot were psychotics long before they took their first puff on a joint.

You are quite happy to except that folks make up excuses for their drug taking but won't except that they may be using the drugs as an excuse for their being a psychotic sphincter.

For every study that says pot causes psychosis there is another that says it does not, and I will put it that those studies that do were carried out by namby pamby social worker types that will lay the blame for everything anywhere but where it belongs and that is squarely on the shoulders of the sphincter they are dealing with.

There are other drugs like speed and coke that most certainly do cause psychosis I have witnessed it for myself but they are uppers and work on a different bit of the brain, or at least affect the brain differently from pot.

Then there are opiates that cause physical dependency pretty much as soon as you start using them with any regularity yet doctors prescribe them at the drop of a hat.

So please vadger stop repeating the crap you've read in the papers or been spoon fed by the politicians because you have no real knowledge of what you are speaking about.

[shetlandpeat]

Personal witness statements are all fine and well, but as they are nowadays not to be taken as gospel and more tangible evidence, ie physical would be needed.

Vadger did not state all but many, the smoking of high powered cannabis could be the tripping point between acceptable (in society) psychosis and not acceptable.

I have not found any points to say that there is no change in behavior when high powered cannabis has been taken, more the fact the Police use a test to show that it has to determine whether further action should be taken.

 

Your friends who smoke cannabis, do you let them drive if you know that they have recently taken high powered cannabis? If so, are you not to blame partly for the need for a police campaign?

Or is that someone else's problem?

[owre-weel]

i notice that the police have just launched their annual don't drink and drive(or take drugs and drive) campaign

and i was just wondering does it do any good or a waste of money

in my mind if some-one is going to do the above they won't stop and say 2oh i won't because the police are doing their campaign" they will just go ahead like they do the rest of the year

 

I would think it does act as a deterrent for most, particularly at this time of year with lots of staff doo's and parties. Unfortunately your right that the regular drink/drugged drivers will continue to chance their luck and put themselves and innocent people in danger It never fails to amaze me that a minority of idiots still drive whilst under the influence of drink or drugs, when the risks and penelties are very clear.

 

I note that a report in the Times this week states that cars may now be confiscated from first time offenders. I think this should be be the case.

 

We should commend the Police on this campaign and support the strong stance they are taking. I note from a previous report that they even suspended one of thier own officers who turned up to work, was breathalised and charged with a motoring offence.

 

Now the only question I would have, is, if this offence was drink driving then why wasn't the officer held in the cells and up in court the next day? after all that is what rightly happens to the other idiots caught.

 

Do you not think are roads would be a lot more dangerous if these type of campaigns did not take place.

[paulb]

I am guessing that it takes a number of days weeks to get the drug test results back from the lab. So unlike the drunk driver who can be banned before there full case is heard it would be riskier to do the same with a drug driver whos results may come back clear.

 

but your right its a no brainer if you drive whilst un fit then your a very short way away from causing a death. so tough if you get caught you deserve it.

 

This is really a diffrent issue than that of is it ok to use drugs.

[Dratsy]

Your friends who smoke cannabis, do you let them drive if you know that they have recently taken high powered cannabis? If so, are you not to blame partly for the need for a police campaign?

Or is that someone else's problem?

 

This "high powered cannabis" that you go on about is a myth created by the tabloids. From the experience of many folks the grass now is no better than the grass 30+ years ago it is just easier to get a hold of because of peoples willingness to grow it themselves. And people are willing to take the risk of growing it for many reasons but the main reason I have heard about is not wanting to purchase from criminals who may use the money for unsavoury purposes like the financing of harder drugs or further up the line even terrorist activity.

take for example the "POLM" resin that is popular today it is (if it is the real thing) just a decent bit of Lebanese and when I was a teenager the bars were stamped with PLO and a guy with a head scarf and a kalashnikof, this branding ceased when Yassir Arrafat changed his image from terrorist to politician.

As for my letting any one drive after smoking I would no more let some one drive if I thought they were unfit to do so for any reason be it pot, drink or (what has been proven time and time again to be worse than either) lack of sleep.

I know you would like to blame a "racist nazi" like me for all that is wrong with world peat but I think not.

Do you go for a pint to unwind after work? if so how does that make you any better than the person that enjoys a spliff to wind down after spending the day listening to idiots like you for 8 hours while trying to do their job.

[shetlandpeat]

Two studies due to be published later this year, which together analysed nearly 550 samples of skunk seized by the police, both conclude that the average content of the main psychoactive agent in skunk strains of cannabis, THC, has doubled from 7% in 1995 to 14% in 2005.

 

From the Guardian some time ago.

 

I do not drive after a drink and I don't smoke.

 

I think your statement is untrue about potency, look here

 

material (n = 452) provided by five

English police forces and obtained during 2005, showed that the median

THC content of cannabis resin and traditional herbal cannabis was 3.5%

and 2.1% respectively (Table 6). This is consistent with the data in

Table 5. The median THC content of sinsemilla was 13.9%, which is

again consistent with the data in Table 5.

 

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/publications/alcohol-drugs/drugs/acmd1/acmd-cannabis-report-2008?view=Binary

 

If you read the document, regarding what they mean by sinsemilla they give a description, along with some of the side effects and how it would impair driving.

 

Your get out, using tiredness, nay nay, does not justify any reason to dismiss the original quotation and statements. Smoke screen to justify smoking and driving, nay nay by moving the discussion to tiredness (although a reasonable cause of accidents in its own right).

 

One thing you did not mention is gorging on food, that too can be a cause for accidents. Be fair now.

 

So, in conclusion,

 

Alcohol + driving = accidents

Drugs(of the type described and other controlled substances) + driving = accidents

Gorging on food + driving = Accidents

tiredness + driving = accidents

 

Not preventing anyone from driving when you know they are in any of the descriptions listed above = as guilty.

[Dratsy]

Not preventing anyone from driving when you know they are in any of the descriptions listed above = as guilty.

 

you insist on claiming I am guilty of some crime peat so once again I will draw your attention to my previous statement

 

As for my letting any one drive after smoking I would no more let some one drive if I thought they were unfit to do so for any reason be it pot, drink or (what has been proven time and time again to be worse than either) lack of sleep.

I know you would like to blame a "racist nazi" like me for all that is wrong with world peat but I think not.

 

 

now get over yourself your constant inability to read what is actually written has left me with the need for a spliff just to blot out your inane drivel.

[shetlandpeat]

Never said you were. You keep bringing that up.

 

But, it is a fact that if you knowingly.............. then you are as guilty.

 

Don't smoke any more it may kill you

[Dratsy]

or it may kill you in my drug induced psycosis

[Ghostrider]

Don't smoke any more it may kill you

 

Simply living will definitely kill you, should we all give that up too.