unlinkedstudent Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 Me wonders if it is a possibility that the owners' hands are tied by what is dictated by their Insurers and whether or not such an incident is covered by an insurance policy. I'm happy to admit I'm naive and somewhat ignorant on this, apart from many, many moons ago when I worked for marine litigation solicitors and spent one Boxing Day liaising via (I think if my memory can remember that far back!) INMARSAT as a Dutch vessel had lost half its chemical cargo - about 4 different 'bounty' salvage operators were more than happy to race to the scene knowing that there would be a hefty pay packet via Insurers. I thought there were laws concerning safety at sea caused by hazardous/dangerous items or does that just apply to vessels? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shetlandpeat Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 It would be good perhaps. But, the crew have to get onto the vessel if the captain is under orders not to take a line. I could see there being a legal debate about whether the vessel was in imminent danger. Some owners could shout piracy perhaps, I don't know. The last thing the Coastguard would want is its crew on a stricken ship arguing about towing, these choices seem to be made when it was too late, thus endangering the lives of the Coastguard crew and the ships company. Was there not some sort of problem with getting the Braer away from danger, the captain was eventually persuaded to abandon ship because of the risk of fire, then part of the crew had to return to the vessel to get a line on from the Star Sirius. Is there not some sort of salvage law about towing a vessel from danger? I am sure someone may know more than us about it. I was told the Braer refused a line on several occasions because of the law. Anyone? I think there is tracking going on with the cages, or so it seems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMe Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 Needs a new law to allow the senior Coastguard officer to declare an emergency and order whatever assistance he or she decides is necessary. If ships want to sail in our coastal waters they would just have to accept the Coastguard's or immediately set sail at full speed out of our waters (hard to do if they are broken down). After all it is our lives get lost (Green Lily) and our coastline polluted (Braer) so why should we not have laws to protect us?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGHR Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 Needs a new law to allow the senior Coastguard officer to declare an emergency and order whatever assistance he or she decides is necessary. If ships want to sail in our coastal waters they would just have to accept the Coastguard's or immediately set sail at full speed out of our waters (hard to do if they are broken down). After all it is our lives get lost (Green Lily) and our coastline polluted (Braer) so why should we not have laws to protect us?. There is a law already which allows exactly that, but only since last July. http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2011/8/pdfs/ukpga_20110008_en.pdf I'm not sure that it applies to salmon cages though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exciseman Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 Interesting take on it herehttp://forargyll.com/2012/01/danger-to-shipping-as-shetland-coastguard-call-for-help/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJ of Hildisvik Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 It seems to me that this situation is turning into a farce. If the only vessel capable of towing the cages , if they find them again, is the Anglian Sovereign, then regardless of the cost to the salmon company, it should be used with immediate effect.The company may want to find the cheapest alternative, but are running the risk of a vessel getting fouled up in the cages and running into difficulties. And another thing , i hope they don't come crawling to the SIC for a baleout Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hairyian Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 Needs a new law to allow the senior Coastguard officer to declare an emergency and order whatever assistance he or she decides is necessary. If ships want to sail in our coastal waters they would just have to accept the Coastguard's or immediately set sail at full speed out of our waters (hard to do if they are broken down). After all it is our lives get lost (Green Lily) and our coastline polluted (Braer) so why should we not have laws to protect us?. There is a law already which allows exactly that, but only since last July. http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2011/8/pdfs/ukpga_20110008_en.pdf I'm not sure that it applies to salmon cages though. This International Treaty covering this, to which UK is a Party, was agreed in 2007.It has taken until 2011 to implement it, which clearly reflects UK Governments priorities in maritime matters. The UK Shipping Minister is a disgrace to his office. The only mitigatiing factor is that he probably doesn't have enough intelligence to realise it. So, I don't think it will apply to salmon cages, as they are not a vessel?Even if the definitions can be stretched ... 30 miles SE of Unst will take it outside the juisdiction of the Act ? I would have thought the reported vaule of in excess of £2M would make it an attractive salvage operation for local boats ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shetlandpeat Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 So, are they flotsom or jetsom? Excuse spelling if wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
groilick Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 So, are they flotsom or jetsom? Excuse spelling if wrong.Na - atesom, dan ate som mair! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobbiniho Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 How can plastic cages sink? they cana but as there cages are made of metal i doot they have a better chance o sinking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crofter Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 I would have thought the reported vaule of in excess of £2M would make it an attractive salvage operation for local boats ? That was maybe a possible value for fish in the nets. I don't think the plastic debris left floating has got any real value, and local boats are not able to tow it anywhere anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
groilick Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 I would have thought the reported vaule of in excess of £2M would make it an attractive salvage operation for local boats ? That was maybe a possible value for fish in the nets. I don't think the plastic debris left floating has got any real value, and local boats are not able to tow it anywhere anyway.Wis hit no da raft o metal cages hit wis moored at Belmont?see http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Transferring_salmon,_Belmont_-_geograph.org.uk_-_1598041.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shoogler Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 ^^No, it was a site with circular plastic cages that was situated south of Uyea isle, not the Belmont cages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crofter Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 Wis hit no da raft o metal cages hit wis moored at Belmont? No, it was ones from a different site. How can plastic cages sink? they cana but as there cages are made of metal i doot they have a better chance o sinking 12 x 100m plastic cages, as seen here in calmer weather http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj4/crofterpics/plasticcages.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkstails Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 pastic cages will soon sink if the nets are full of dead salmon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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