paulb Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 now this chap is made redundant and i guess a very nice payout. yet they still need him so they are going to pay him as a consultant. why did they not just keep him on untill he was not needed. can't see how this is a cheaper option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joenorth Posted January 19, 2012 Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 ...or maybe the chap who got the job he was after would take on whatever needs doing, as might be expected? The SIC suffers from a real 'consultancy culture'. It'd be interesting to see what some of these consultants actually produce, set it against their pay, and then decide if they're value- for- money. While Mr. Buchan never stops telling us, 'because they're worth it', I'm not so sure (and I say that from personal experience working with a consultant used by the SIC; big invoice, little benefit). Trains and gravy, perhaps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
engineer21 Posted January 19, 2012 Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 read the artical and thought excatly the same thing!!! its re-structuring at its best, pay-off and then re hire (most likely on a very nice hourly rate!) surely the public will have something to say about this as well!! surely the council should be employing people that know the field they will be working and not just anyone and then use a consultant for everything?? dosent make sense to me but then who am I! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarotangel Posted January 19, 2012 Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 engineer21 doesna make any sense to me either. To me it's no like consultants have done wonders for decision making at the SIC, I'd love to know if other councils use them as much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shetlandpeat Posted January 19, 2012 Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 You will find many do. It can work out to be the cheaper option. Generally consultants pay their own tax, NI and liability cover. Also pensions. The cost of employing an expert can be expensive. Consultants in theory, can be given very short notice.Any one done a FOI request? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulb Posted January 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 you won't get it. think its relating to an individual. I would be intrested to see his redundancy package was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuckleJoannie Posted January 19, 2012 Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 Mr Greenhill had already got early retirement from Edinburgh City Council before he came here so I would think the SIC would have got off comparitively lightly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulb Posted January 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 yeh right. How much did mr clark get for his quick holiday up here. maybe not quite that high but i bet it was not far off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
engineer21 Posted January 19, 2012 Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 whilst they pay there own NIs, etc you will find that there hourly rate or daily rate will compensate them for this, im not sure it can be cheaper, in my industry day raters are paid more than twice a employed person 1 - theres uncertainty about how long your work will last. 2 you can be as to work at short notice 3 you cover all own travel expenses if hes a good consultant why not have just kept him employed? and paid of one of the lower down guys? im guessing its all to do with budgets, so basically just a paperwork waste of money excercise, id love to know what a consultant does! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulb Posted January 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 tells you that you need another consultant.whats the betting he does not get the basic redundancy of 6 weeks x 400 quid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
engineer21 Posted January 19, 2012 Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 nothing like jobs for the boys ehh! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinner72 Posted January 19, 2012 Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 yeh right. How much did mr clark get for his quick holiday up here. maybe not quite that high but i bet it was not far off. That was a different situation entirely, and the council probably got off pretty lightly in that case too. Lets just hope people still remember about it when the ballot box comes calling again. Valid point to the thread however. I can understand how consultants can occasionally be economical, but surely if someone is already employed it is better to retain them until no longer required. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shetlandpeat Posted January 19, 2012 Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 There are many outgoings with employment. I cost my employer about 2.5 times more that I get. As do many folk. There are employer NI payments, pensions (if you work for a good employer), holiday pay, sick pay, training, vehicles, uniform, insurance, if not more. If someone was employed on 60k, it could cost 150k to employ them. Now for that money, many consultants are about £500 a day, and you employ them for 50 days, it is cheaper. But, you can make up your own scenarios to suit any argument, but do you know the facts? What budget do consultants get paid from? How much is he getting? How much was he getting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinner72 Posted January 19, 2012 Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 Very true, and of course it is none of our business to be speculating about any individual and what they may or may not be earning. I think this is a perfect example of where the much advertised but little heard from communications team/department or whatever the correct term is should come in to play. Situations like these are abound to cause specualtion, rumours and outright gossip, 99% of which, usually, is complete hellery which does nobody any good. Simple communication, saying why decisions were taken with savings expressed as percentages would stop all that. And of course if there are to be additional costs, then provide the justification. Communications role shouldn't just be to provide good news.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulb Posted January 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 well lets ask shetlandpeat how he would handle it in preston. after all he has council experiance. would preston city council act this way. would you be impressed to see this happening. the thread was not a dig at the guy. he could have been very good I don't know just strange to make someone redundant and then hire them back. now they employ an ex consultant to the followinghttp://www.shetlandtimes.co.uk/2012/01/19/new-finance-chief-for-council yet we have them do this http://www.shetlandtimes.co.uk/2012/01/19/councillors-will-decide-on-cuts-without-economic-impact-study and they are ment to be improving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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