Ghostrider Posted February 11, 2010 Report Share Posted February 11, 2010 Rules, set by faceless so called scientists and clueless politicians may, or may not have been bent and broken, only time will tell on that one. However, I don't think there's anyone who knows better than a Whalsay man going to the sea, that if he helps kill the fishing, not only is he destroying his own livlihood, he's killing the isle as well. Even if there were those who would let personal greed over-ride that, its a small enough place, that others will soon catch on to whats going on, and put a stop to it. Also, if a Whalsay man tells me that there are plenty of fish on the grounds, and whats been taken can easily be sustained, even when the aforementioned scientists and politicians are shouting the very opposite, I know who I'm going to believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Njugle Posted February 11, 2010 Report Share Posted February 11, 2010 However, I don't think there's anyone who knows better than a Whalsay man going to the sea, that if he helps kill the fishing, not only is he destroying his own livlihood, he's killing the isle as well. Even if there were those who would let personal greed over-ride that, its a small enough place, that others will soon catch on to whats going on, and put a stop to it. Erm , at the risk of going slightly off topic, I don't know where you got the above info GR, but the info put to me by fishermen in the fairly recent past told tales "where there was plenty of fish on the ground" of catching fish and then dumping it if the next shot could yield a higher price at the market, and that principal ran for both whitefish and pelagic fleets and for a time was clocking massive figures of discards in the international pelagic fleet, particularly where mackerel and herring were shoaling together, or where there were two distinct sizes of mackerel. Things have toned down a bit again, I'm told, but for a while there the quota system wasn't propagating a generation of responsible seamen, it was propagating a dozen generations of particularly fat crabs and sea worms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Posted February 11, 2010 Report Share Posted February 11, 2010 From the reports we have 4 boats and £50M involved?Is the case that each boat needed £10M+ extra income above what they could catch on quotas, just to break even? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJ Posted February 11, 2010 Report Share Posted February 11, 2010 have they not been taken over since then the current MD is involved from the reports I've read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shoogler Posted February 11, 2010 Report Share Posted February 11, 2010 have they not been taken over since then Not taken over, but a new shareholder is involved - happens to be one of the biggest fish processing firms in Norway and probably starving the place of fish and waiting for it to go downhill before buying it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulb Posted February 11, 2010 Report Share Posted February 11, 2010 which would be even worse news for the fishing fleet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJ Posted February 11, 2010 Report Share Posted February 11, 2010 ^^^??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted February 11, 2010 Report Share Posted February 11, 2010 few here kinda uninformed how it actually is (fishing / fishing industry) think i will never leet traepin wi you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infiltrator Posted January 6, 2012 Report Share Posted January 6, 2012 Now that the court case is dishing out fines and recovering compensation from the boat skippers - whatever happened to the managers of Shetland Catch that were found guilty? All the bad press seems to focus on the boat skippers, yet presumably the Shetland Catch managers carry as much (poss even more?) of the blame given it was their equipment that had been fiddled to allow the fraud. Have they received large fines for their part and I've just missed it somewhere? - all the reporting seems a bit one sided. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuckleJoannie Posted January 6, 2012 Report Share Posted January 6, 2012 I seem to mind reading that Shetland Catch will have their day in court when all the skippers have been dealt with. Part of the scam involved them fiddling the scales at their factory. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-16353451 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infiltrator Posted January 6, 2012 Report Share Posted January 6, 2012 I seem to mind reading that Shetland Catch will have their day in court when all the skippers have been dealt with. Part of the scam involved them fiddling the scales at their factory. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-16353451 Thanks MJ, it just seems odd to me that all the individual skippers have been dealt with first, given the fraud was only made possible in the first place by the factory itself - unless I'm missing how it worked? The individual skippers would only have been aware of their own sales, whereas the management at the factory would have had knowledge of the entire scale of the fraud. Why leave the 'Mr Big' of the fraud till last? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuckleJoannie Posted January 6, 2012 Report Share Posted January 6, 2012 Shetland Catch pled guilty back in August 2010, at the same time as six of the skippers. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-11098124 The wheels of justice grind slowly, yet they grind exceeding small Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hairyian Posted January 6, 2012 Report Share Posted January 6, 2012 I seem to mind reading that Shetland Catch will have their day in court when all the skippers have been dealt with. Part of the scam involved them fiddling the scales at their factory. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-16353451 Thanks MJ, it just seems odd to me that all the individual skippers have been dealt with first, given the fraud was only made possible in the first place by the factory itself - unless I'm missing how it worked? The individual skippers would only have been aware of their own sales, whereas the management at the factory would have had knowledge of the entire scale of the fraud. Why leave the 'Mr Big' of the fraud till last? Maybe they are thinking along the lines of the penalty being 50 /50, that is same fine for the factory as for the skipper, so once they know the cumalative amount for the skippers, they will know how much the factory will be billed ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fionajohn Posted January 24, 2012 Report Share Posted January 24, 2012 just a thought if the tax man gets his cut on profit from black fish landings is he profiting from the proceeds of a crime ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulb Posted January 24, 2012 Report Share Posted January 24, 2012 does that mean that the police can take their boats. I assume there is community money invested in some of them. would the loan agreement state that they camn't risk the boat in such a way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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