go.oot.by.dog Posted February 4, 2012 Report Share Posted February 4, 2012 Please click on the link and sign the petition against the welfare reform bill which is targeting the poorest and least able people in our society. http://withholdtheroyalassent.org/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dratsy Posted February 4, 2012 Report Share Posted February 4, 2012 Or maybe it is just targeting the parasites that steal the money intended for the poorest and least able in society, By weeding out these parasites there should be more to help those in genuine need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George. Posted February 4, 2012 Report Share Posted February 4, 2012 They have ignored the Lords. Could they care less about Royalty? Will we miss them when we split? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
go.oot.by.dog Posted February 4, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2012 These are the people you are calling parasites and the ones who dont need it then? The disability movement looks set for a legal showdown with the government, after the coalition prepared to force deeply unpopular measures within its welfare reform bill into law. More than 20 disabled people’s organisations (DPOs) and other charities are now discussing a possible legal case against the government. Leading figures in the movement had already discussed halting cooperation with the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) if the bill becomes law, because of their anger at the government’s failure to listen to disabled people’s views about its reforms and cuts to disability benefits. But their frustration reached new levels this week when the government signalled that it would take advantage of the rarely-used “financial privilege†procedure to overturn seven amendments to the bill that had been passed by members of the House of Lords. The use of financial privilege means that peers will not be able to reinstate those seven amendments into the bill. Several of the amendments that were overturned by MPs this week would have reduced the impact of government cuts to disability benefits, particularly to employment and support allowance (ESA), the replacement for incapacity benefit. But despite months of protests, meetings with ministers and civil servants, marches, petitions, and a high-profile direct action in central London last weekend, the vast majority of the government’s original package of welfare reforms are now almost certain to be introduced. Leading figures in the disability movement appear to accept that they will probably be forced to take legal action against the government once the bill becomes law. Jaspal Dhani, chief executive of the UK Disabled People’s Council (UKDPC), told Disability News Service that he hoped to call a meeting with leading DPOs and disability charities “to consider what we do nextâ€. But he said legal action had already been discussed, because the government was continuing to “ignore the potential threats to disabled people’s independent livingâ€. He said: “Ultimately, that is probably what it will come down to: taking that level of legal action against the government.†He said the government’s actions showed that while ministers had appeared to be engaging with disabled people, they were “not listeningâ€. But Dhani said he disagreed with activists who have suggested a possible boycott of communication with DWP, although he understood their frustration. He said such a boycott would simply give the government a “free licence to do what they want to do†because they would “see us as giving upâ€. Neil Coyle, director of policy and campaigns for Disability Rights UK, said the legal action could target proposals to scrap working-age disability living allowance and replace it with a new personal independence payment (PIP), and to cut spending on ESA. Coyle agreed with Dhani that boycotting all engagement with DWP would be self-defeating, and pointed to limited improvements to the bill that had been secured through discussions with the government, including more extensive trialling of the new PIP assessment, and the scrapping of plans to remove mobility payments from disabled people in residential homes. Coyle also said there was likely to be a demonstration under the banner of the Hardest Hit campaign, which is led jointly by UKDPC and members of the Disability Benefits Consortium, to “make clear our dissatisfaction with being shut out of the decision-making processâ€. Jog on Dratsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulb Posted February 4, 2012 Report Share Posted February 4, 2012 Or maybe it is just targeting the parasites that steal the money intended for the poorest and least able in society, By weeding out these parasites there should be more to help those in genuine need. yup your right dratsy those lazy downs syndrome kids wanting exta attention at night how dare they. and those fakers who are activly undergoing radio/chemotherapy the just need to buck there ideas up and get a job. maybe there is a clue in who opposed the reforms. a number of thatchers henchmen voted against these changes. yet our mp would have voted in favour shame on him. if the extreme right think is to far then it is. this is a warning to the lib dems you will live to regret what you are doing. if you value your future this must stop. whilst doing these cuts they are considering retaining child benifit for the rich. there welfare reforms will put 1/2 million children into poverty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dratsy Posted February 4, 2012 Report Share Posted February 4, 2012 Nobody is taking anything from anyone in genuine need, they are just trying to weed out thise that are claiming that are not entitled they are also trying to get benefits means tested so that rich folk can't claim.Also there is a load of turd being spooted about benefits for cancer sufferers not much of with any basis in fact.but why let the truth get in the way of a good old moan.All these protests are politically motivated by the labour left who after loosing an election always get folks on the street causing havoc and then blaiming the government.only the very naive or to put it bluntly brain dead morons pay it much heed. Unfortunately there seems to be a lot of you about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tojo Posted February 4, 2012 Report Share Posted February 4, 2012 Maybe I am wrong, or not completely informed .... but arent the new reforms to "cap" benefits at £26k for those that are/could be able to work but dont because it is better financially for them to stay on benefits ... sort of an encouragement to go and work? even if it is part time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMe Posted February 4, 2012 Report Share Posted February 4, 2012 Maybe I am wrong, or not completely informed .... but aren't the new reforms to "cap" benefits at £26k for those that are/could be able to work but don't because it is better financially for them to stay on benefits ... sort of an encouragement to go and work? even if it is part time. Not exactly as I understand it that £26k is an absolute cap on benefits including for those who really are unable to work. And it maybe sounds a lot at first but a relatively large family could well end up in poverty due to this badly thought out proposal. Take for example the family with 5 kids who were doing well with both parents earning good wages until the day of the accident that meant neither of them could ever work again. Yes there are plenty of cases where people are content to live on benefits when they could work and these need to be followed up and some sort of sanctions applied if they refuse to take a job. But then again there are people who no employer with a grain of sense would employ. Friend of mine lives near to a little street where three 4 bed houses are occupied by an extended family and not one of them works and not one employer in the town would even consider hiring the best of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derick Posted February 4, 2012 Report Share Posted February 4, 2012 yet our mp would have voted in favour shame on him. if the extreme right think is to far then it is. this is a warning to the lib dems you will live to regret what you are doing.. doot dey winna, as dey ir nihilists wi-oot principle or scruples. Still, at laest da Times is on der side! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow Posted February 4, 2012 Report Share Posted February 4, 2012 They got away with stopping the ILA.They snuck that one in through the back door..Which means that people who are severely disabled no longer have the right to help with their day to day living and face the loss of their independence..IF it costs in the region of £1.600 a week to keep someone in residential care surely it makes economic sense to let them stay in their own homes with support at a cost of bringing in a carer for £150 per week .Again it it a case of hitting the most vulnerable in society because they are easy targets..Petition Signed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shetlandpeat Posted February 5, 2012 Report Share Posted February 5, 2012 Nobody is taking anything from anyone in genuine need, they are just trying to weed out thise that are claiming that are not entitled they are also trying to get benefits means tested so that rich folk can't claim.Also there is a load of turd being spooted about benefits for cancer sufferers not much of with any basis in fact.but why let the truth get in the way of a good old moan.All these protests are politically motivated by the labour left who after loosing an election always get folks on the street causing havoc and then blaiming the government.only the very naive or to put it bluntly brain dead morons pay it much heed. Unfortunately there seems to be a lot of you about The Labour Left? http://www.ekklesia.co.uk/files/response_to_proposed_dla_reforms.pdf You do need to read this, there are also blogs such as Diary of a Benefits Scrounger, Benefits Scrounging Scum and the Diary of a Dying Woman Not sure about your motives, but along with this quote of yours... single mums on benefits, maybe if they had been watching tv instead of opening their legs without using contraception they could afford the licence.Why do you think we should feel sorry for someone who has put themselves in the position they are in. and why pray do you think we should be made to pay for their mistakes You seem to be revealing a wee bit of a nasty side of yourself, an underlying problem perhaps, who knows? Though I still have not worked out how watching TV can generate an income to pay for a license when it would be against the law to be watching the TV until you have a license in place. http://www.ekklesia.co.uk/files/response_to_proposed_dla_reforms.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George. Posted February 5, 2012 Report Share Posted February 5, 2012 Possibly, the "New Labour" Left Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shetlandpeat Posted February 5, 2012 Report Share Posted February 5, 2012 The ConDemNation will be doing similar things with other Acts. They have brought forward consultations and will apply the Fiscal tag to these to keep the Lords from changing it. I doubt if you can stop the Queen signing it off, the Speaker will probably tow the Party Line as technically the ConDemNation can do this sort of thing, but it does remove the democracy in the process, constantly saying the public had already given them the mandate to do such things. Th DimDems have no real say, speeding their way to extinction perhaps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George. Posted February 5, 2012 Report Share Posted February 5, 2012 Though I still have not worked out how watching TV can generate an income to pay for a license when it would be against the law to be watching the TV until you have a license in place. http://www.ekklesia.co.uk/files/response_to_proposed_dla_reforms.pdf No license required to watch repeats, Peat. Only required to watch a program the first time it has been transmitted and there isn't much of that!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Equality Street Posted February 5, 2012 Report Share Posted February 5, 2012 It's unfortunate that the Tories have been able to control the narrative on this one and have pulled the eyes over so many people, to the extent that socialism is somehow now linked to giving excessive allowances to people that don't deserve it. At the end of the day most working men & women are outraged at the banks and the appalling greed of Cameron and his cronies, but they feel impotent and detached from it, living as we do a world away from the sordid corruption of the Eton-educated elite. Instead we instinctively look closer to home for more local inequalities. True, we may resent the Whalsay Fishermen who throws his brand-new unwanted LED TV in the skip (true story) or revel in the gossip regarding certain people in the council with dubious property arrangements, but we can't feel true resentment, as both the Whalsay fisherman and Dodgy councillor have, to an extent, worked hard to get where they are. Enter the dodgy druggie or layabout. As much as it pains some of us to admit, he and she do exist. As a former postie I recall vividly delivering a massive TV to a resident of a newly built Hjaltland house, whom I knew from school and I can assure you has seldom worked in his life, unless you include the effort put in to fathering an array of children to different women, most of them teenagers now happily kitted out with their own house. Now, before anyone jumps down my throat allow me to explain my position. I am in favour of a decent social service system. I also believe that everyone has a right to a roof over their heads and to be free from abject poverty, regardless of their circumstances/ lifestyle choice. However, when a man is better off sitting at home than actually working for a living then something is seriously wrong. I've been on the dole and it wasn't fun, but compared to working some of the jobs around I can see why staying on it would be tempting - espically in a nice hoose with a big Tele. I honestly don't want to get into the myriad social/ economic reasons that many will try and put forward defending my layabout class-mate. Suffice to say I once spouted them off as well, but until you've worked minimum wage and seen with your own eyes how some (not all) blatantly enjoy better housing and general welfare arrangements (not to mention the occasional celebrity appearances in The Shetland times for assault, dealing etc - the same names constantly coming up but, hey, let's have another look at that pending background report...), then don't be too quick to write all of us who criticise the current setup in Shetland as Daily Mail reading Tories. I've always voted labour until Blair's fuel-runs to the Middle East made it morally wrong for me to lend my support. Socialism is about WORKING class people and equality, something I'll always agree with. Alas my erstwhile classmate cares little for political ideology and would presumably be more than happy with the way things are, if he ever stopped to think about it. After all, daytime TV, drugs and casual sex sounds a damn site better than delivering TVs in the rain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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