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^ Are you talking about all who are entitled to some sort of benefit?


Tackling fraud is one thing, but using that then to hit folk who rely on the benefits to give them a quality of life is quite wrong. The figures of those who commit fraud with DLA are tiny compared to the suffering this bill will cause.


I understand that there needs to be a program to encourage folk back into the jobs market, but that will only work if there is a buoyant jobs market.


Reducing benefits in such a manner has not worked as yet, the last time I read about it over £80,000,000 had been spent processing appeals since the new tests were introduced. Also over 100 new "judges" to oversee the process.


The ConDemNation have been good in targeting certain bands of folk in order to put in more sweeping cuts to folks living standards.


The Tory party did this last time with single mothers, and the indoctrination is still with us.


Yet they will not collect the taxes from the likes of Vodaphone and Goldman Sachs. If they did both, collect taxes and addressed the welfare system, it would then seem fair, as we are all in this together.


I think though the point of the OP was about the impact this would have on families who rely on benefits, the sorts of benefits that would give their children a decent chance in life and get them to the schools they need to attend because the system said they have to be educated and the school 10 or even 15 miles away is the only one.

Transport for these folks is being withdrawn, or charged for, parents or single parents all of a sudden having to find thousands of pounds to send their children to the school that will provide the best for that child.

Also with these cuts, the 500% or more increases in daycare will not be found, this has already been happening. So folk vegetate in their homes on their own.


Why should these folks have to suffer this treatment? They will. If you have read the Spartacus report you will see what it will mean to folks.


Can you punish folk for the way they have been brought up? Probably yes, in these times.


It must be very worrying for folk.

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Troubling stuff Mr Peat. But again I cannot equate children being forced to pay to travel great distances to school, disabled people being ruthlessly assessed and the elderly suffering the sting of cuts to the flagrant inequalities that the current dole culture embodies - a system that many young, able-bodied people systematically abuse.


It's my belief that adequate, free transport be available to all school pupils. The elderly and disabled should be looked after without prejudice and that there should be full social and health care for all. However, a system that practically encourages people not to work is madness. I've seen with my own eyes people who will not work living in better conditions than me.


I'm renting in the centre of town at over £500 a week, by far my biggest expense. My girlfriend and I have no chance of getting on a Hjaltland list, because, heaven forbid, we get up and go to work in the morning to pay our way. This is not a boast or an attempt to belittle the unemployed - I myself have been out of work and know that it CAN be hard... but for certain people it doesn't strike me as being hard at all.

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^^ You are not alone. To back up what you posted earlier here, I know of a few people over the past year or so who have been working people all thier lives, forced to give up and go on to benefits simply to give themselves a better standard of living, and the sense of defeat it has left them in.


I know times are tight everywhere and there is no simple solution, but surely some kind of balance can be made between the minimum wage with enhancements for those working, and the "salary" of being on benefits to ensure working is the preferred option?

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This method of addressing the Welfare Bill will affect all who receive benefits.


This is what the OP seems to be troubled with, and millions of folks who do need said benefits.


Part of the Bill does address this by capping benefits, there are also cuts and caps to housing benefits, and, increased charges for the stuff not covered or provided by the benefit system directly.


The mention of low wages. Is quite correct. It does seem that employers are opting out of paying enhancements like the Island Allowance and London Weighting south.


The minimum wage helps.


The worry is that if there are large cuts to these folks incomes, in respect to JSA or similar, there could be an increase in the crime rate, the cost then moves to the public directly and then stretches the resources the Police are fighting to keep. We may be relying on folk just accepting the cuts and adjusting their lifestyle accordingly, with some, it may not happen.

Prisons are getting full, up by a little over 3000 from 12 months ago with only an increase of 75 on HDC. Many of these folk will be entitled to a benefit when they leave prison, and will find it very hard to get a job, especially as there seems to be hundreds of job seekers per job advert.

Here perhaps, a punitive cut in benefits will create a revolving door at the prison gates. Even with HDC, it can be very difficult to find a job that suits the standard terms of the HDC contract. This is just one aspect.


I have known folk to live for many years on benefits, the trouble with that, as is mentioned is when it becomes ingrained. We could blame the employers as well, but they too are in hard times, even poor Tesco took a hit this winter, which, in times like these is very unusual as they tend to do well in hard times.


I understand the need to get folk on a reasonable wage and a benefit system that encourages folk to get work. It is the broad face of the mallet used which worries me.

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^^ Indeed - offensively low wages are a large part of the problem. Personal responsibility, however, should also be acknowledged. There should never be any incentive to go on the dole. Sadly, the sometimes misguided actions of Hjaltland and the social services have, to an extent, provided exactly that.


I dunna tink Hjaltland hed much choice gien da rules dey hae ta wirk tae.


HOWEVER. N N and thrice NB there is a Scottish Government Consultation out on this very subject and I would humbly (OK not very humbly at all) suggest that each and every one of you that has a view, rather than pleepsing on Shetlink, submits a considered response.


Government of the people, for the people. Is that so very bad? Daily Torygraph, assorted 'Lords' bjok! and der Unionistas tink it's bad. ta hel wi dem.






Closing date 30 April

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An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had never failed a single student before, but had recently failed an entire class. That class had insisted that socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer.


The professor then said, "OK, we will have an experiment in this class on Socialist's plan". All grades will be averaged and everyone will receive the same grade so no one will fail and no one will receive an A.... (substituting grades for dollars - something closer to home and more readily understood by all).


After the first test, the grades were averaged and everyone got a B. The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy. As the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too so they studied little.


The second test average was a D! No one was happy.


When the 3rd test rolled around, the average was an F.


As the tests proceeded, the scores never increased as bickering, blame and name-calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else.


To their great surprise, ALL FAILED and the professor told them that socialism would also ultimately fail because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great, but when government takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed.




These are possibly the 5 best sentences you'll ever read and all applicable to this experiment:


1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.


2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.


3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.


4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!


5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation.

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Never for one minute did I claim the statement as my own peat, as it makes no difference who said it if it's the truth.

As for your link there is something dodgy about the site as it wont open on this or any other computer out here


that was the first one on the list. It is to do with American Elections (the site) so it could be barred where you are.


If you cut and paste the first sentence it comes through with a number of links on popular search engines.


I was hoping for a comment.

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