shetlandpeat Posted February 27, 2012 Report Share Posted February 27, 2012 More that the outside facilities were lacking, the layout of the service provision threw up some extremely difficult challenges due to its layout, that is the extract from the communication. I would imagine Montfield would throw up similar problems, as you say no garden for one. I do think there has been some neglect as far as the building goes, the lift is difficult to use for the food trolley for one. My main concern is my Dad, the next is the dedicated staff. Every time I have been there, there has been no problems. I do not hear of any either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulb Posted February 28, 2012 Report Share Posted February 28, 2012 upstairs at montfield is still used by the health board. its used by the board and there is no where for the stuff at montfield to be moved too. the board spent millions doing the downstairs up for the council. I can't see them being willing to do the same again. it still would not change the fact the building is in need of a lot of money spending on it. if not the board lied when they closed the place down. viewforth is the only specialist unit they have it would be very dumb to change it for cost savings. there care of the more complicated resident is always going to be the more expensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joenorth Posted February 28, 2012 Report Share Posted February 28, 2012 Upstairs in Montfield will replicate Viewforth I would imagine as it is a secure service and would continue to do so. Do you think so? The old Ronas Ward would have to be completely gutted and rebuilt to meet the compulsory standards for mainstream care homes, let alone specialist dementia units. It's a pretty decrepit old hospital ward, complete with large shared rooms. It would be nice if they did replace Viewforth with something similar, and until council 'austerity' that was the accepted plan. All I hear now, though, is 'close it'! No talk of a direct replacement. As for scaremongering: this scenario is pretty scary, and that's a plain fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stilldellin Posted February 28, 2012 Report Share Posted February 28, 2012 I really am concerned where you are getting some of your information about Viewforth from Peat, quote :- " the lift is difficult to use for the food trolley for one. " I asked a carer today how they got on with the food trolley in the lift and she was completely unaware of any problem.There is nothing more certain that if Viewforth does close it will be the end of specialist dementia care services in Shetland as we know it. A couple of photos taken today, that concrete brick called Montfield :-http://i1207.photobucket.com/albums/bb479/beenister/Montfield.jpgand a real building that will outlast Montfield by another 100 years complete with south facing garden ground. Viewforth.http://i1207.photobucket.com/albums/bb479/beenister/Viewforth.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shetlandpeat Posted February 28, 2012 Report Share Posted February 28, 2012 Joe, they would have to comply to current standards, so if Viewforth was moved, the security would be replicated. I watched on a number of times the difficulty some of the folk working there had with the lift, for a while, the lift would not line up with the floor level and there were difficulties with getting it in, also, the food trolley was the only thing that could fit in the lift. The information mentioned unsuitability. The plan of the place creates difficulties. You had my offer about contacting me, and I could tell more, as I said, not on here. Not really the place as not enough folk contribute and have contributed for a fair picture. I am against the move, and have said that in the letters I wrote. The folk working at Viewforth and Freefield are banned from making any comments, it will be in their contract of employment. It needs a forum that will deal with the facts, be in the face of the folks who will make the choices and create enough pressure and plan to save these places. Not a few dozen regular posters on a forum that many I speak to think does no good. But, there have been cases where it does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CyprusPluto Posted February 28, 2012 Report Share Posted February 28, 2012 Where the poll answer "no"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stilldellin Posted February 28, 2012 Report Share Posted February 28, 2012 from Peat :- " The information comes from your councillors. " Well, well, says it all doesn't it ! I wonder just how many of these councillors have actually visited Viewforth and spent an hour there just to try and grasp the situation they are creating by closing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulb Posted February 28, 2012 Report Share Posted February 28, 2012 ignore computer has gone funny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulb Posted February 28, 2012 Report Share Posted February 28, 2012 the lift at montfield was bad and needed replacing at 4 years ago. there are lots of exits on the first floor. so security wise a lot harder to manage. the demand for dementia related care is only going to increase. having a person who has aggresive episodes in a normal care setting is dangerous for the other residents. viewforth may need to be replace but montfield is not the place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dratsy Posted February 28, 2012 Report Share Posted February 28, 2012 maybe we could get Harold Shipman up on day release to help ease some of the problems Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shetlandpeat Posted February 28, 2012 Report Share Posted February 28, 2012 maybe we could get Harold Shipman up on day release to help ease some of the problems You mean the one that died in 2004? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulb Posted February 28, 2012 Report Share Posted February 28, 2012 not funny i had a distant cousin die under his care. i also had friends in hyde whos family member was murdered by that scum bag. not funny at all. what he did in hyde was much worse than was reported he was and is not a figure of fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joenorth Posted February 29, 2012 Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 Joe, they would have to comply to current standards, so if Viewforth was moved, the security would be replicated. I watched on a number of times the difficulty some of the folk working there had with the lift, for a while, the lift would not line up with the floor level and there were difficulties with getting it in, also, the food trolley was the only thing that could fit in the lift. The information mentioned unsuitability. The plan of the place creates difficulties. You had my offer about contacting me, and I could tell more, as I said, not on here. I think there's a bit of a focus on selective issues here. You're right enough, Viewforth will never be as suitable for purpose as a unit specially designed from the word go. I don't hear anybody speaking about that anymore, though. The fact is that Viewforth is a much better environment for people with dementia and behavioural issues than anywhere else in Shetland. Unless it is replaced with something appropriate -not simply closed- service provision will suffer. Thanks for the offer of information. If you're party to knowledge that a new specialist dementia unit features as a priority in the SICs capital planning, that's great. It's all I want to know. Could you divulge that fact on Shetlink, if you have it? Paul, I have to agree with you. The idea that murdering older people (or anybody) is any sort of a joke is bloody awful. No internet forum should suffer offensive (and irrelevant to topic) sh*te like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unlinkedstudent Posted February 29, 2012 Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 Joe, they would have to comply to current standards, so if Viewforth was moved, the security would be replicated. I watched on a number of times the difficulty some of the folk working there had with the lift, for a while, the lift would not line up with the floor level and there were difficulties with getting it in, also, the food trolley was the only thing that could fit in the lift. The information mentioned unsuitability. The plan of the place creates difficulties. You had my offer about contacting me, and I could tell more, as I said, not on here. ...Thanks for the offer of information. If you're party to knowledge that a new specialist dementia unit features as a priority in the SICs capital planning, that's great. It's all I want to know. Could you divulge that fact on Shetlink, if you have it? Lifts do go out of alignment. Whilst units should be available for those with dementia, is it not, however, the case that many would be better off being cared for in their own homes with specialist nurses? I know this does happen elsewhere in the UK and the costs are not far off what one would pay in a nursing home. I'm glad, Joe, that you mentioned about SP sharing the information on here. My own view is that if a Councillor has put information in a letter then is it not unreasonable that any Councillor should be happy to stand by what they have put within said letter (In other words, saying in public what they have put within private correspondence). Quite frankly, SP, without naming the Councillor, it is on par without providing an internet reference for a quote; it means nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulb Posted February 29, 2012 Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 there has to be a specialist service for dementia. early stage dementia can be delt with at home however the latter stages are not pleasant. expecting their family to do most of the caring places a massive burden on them. it maybe best for the suffer to be at home but it maybe not be the best for the ,main carer. a council that has 100s of millions in funds should not be even think of cutting this type of service, they need to forget all the nicer things like new arts venues and concentrate on there main functions. if the council can't run a decent service allow the care to be hired in. if there is a real need for new buildings build them it will save money in the end. providing care at home can never meet the needs of an end stage patient. rember the maximum number of viits is 4. would you want your amily member let for so long. it will be not a cheaper option ethier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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