Shetland_boys Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 A vote on Same-sex marriage. Should it be made Legal?Nasty comments banned! [*** Mod edit - thread moved from the Science & Technology forum ***] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shetlandpeat Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 I did try to vote. Problems it seems with phone. Yes. Same sex marriage should be legal. It about time this country woke up to the discrimination it shows by not letting it happen. When is the big day???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo6 Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 Er, am I missing something here. This is the Science and Technology Forum, I'm reaching here to see the relevance, but failing For the record though, prohibiting the freedom to marry whoever you like (Be it one, two, or even three at a time) is ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetsmucks Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 Of course it should be legal. Who has the right to say it shouldn't be? I think it's ridiculous in this day and age that people don't have equal rights regardless of whether they are straight, gay, bisexual, transgender etc. Surely it should be their choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hairyian Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 Marriage is a totally artificial state of affairs. If folk want to 'marry' their dog, hampster or car, why not ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
groilick Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 If folk want to 'marry' their dog, hampster or car, why not ?an some lekly wis dat dey did! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJ Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 I sort of agree with the above post. Marriage seems to mean so little these days, other than having a big party. You can't promise to make a lifetime commitment 3 times. But if REAL lifetime partners want to make a commitment what should their gender have to do with it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pleepsie Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 I thought that Civil Partnerships were made legal in 2004. Differences between Civil Partnerships and Civil Marriages Although a civil partnership is essentially viewed as a “gay marriageâ€, between same sex partners, the reason it is not called a “gay marriageâ€, is that there are a few differences between a partnership and a marriage on a technical level. A civil partnership becomes legal when the registration certificate is signed by both partners. This does not mean that it must be signed during a ceremony that is public or during any specific event. This allows the partner to enter into the partnership on a private basis. There need be no words exchanged. During a civil marriage, typically words are exchanged and then the register is signed. A vast difference between a civil partnership and a civil marriage is that a civil marriage almost always contains religious aspects during the marriage. The word marriage is a religious word in itself. Additionally, a clergy can perform civil marriages, whereas only specified registrars can perform a civil partnership. There are also vast similarities between the two. In both a civil partnership and a civil marriage, the couples are required to give public notice of the intentions. The records of both are kept as official and public documents with the registry offices. Couples are required to wait a total of 15 days prior to registration but after giving notice of the partnership. After the 15 day waiting period the registration is given, and then it is valid for one full year after the date of registration.http://http://www.civilpartnershipinfo.co.uk/ Is it perhaps the religious ceremony that you want made legal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJ Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 Civil Partnership isn't Marriage, the fact that the name is different kind of highlights the fact. It should be 1 rule for all. Not suggesting forcing Clergy to "Wed" couples if they don't feel comfortable. Society changes slowly, but each step in the right direction through the law, helps acceptance, and reduces homophobia. Just look at how things have changed here in Shetland in the last 20years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hairyian Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 Civil Partnership isn't Marriage, the fact that the name is different kind of highlights the fact. It should be 1 rule for all. Not suggesting forcing Clergy to "Wed" couples if they don't feel comfortable. Society changes slowly, but each step in the right direction through the law, helps acceptance, and reduces homophobia. Just look at how things have changed here in Shetland in the last 20years. A phobia is a state of mind. I don't think you cure it by legislation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Inky Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 Not suggesting forcing Clergy to "Wed" couples if they don't feel comfortable.Would you feel the same about a clergyman who didn't feel "comfortable" marrying a black or disabled couple? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJ Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 When I was a teen, it was still illegal for men to kiss in public. Two consenting males couldn't have sexual relations until they were both over 21. We couldn't have discussions about homosexuality in class at school. Homosexuality was seen as "dirty" to the extent that victims of rape found themselves in danger of prosecution themselves.Females had an easier time regarding the law, but no easier time out in public.As the laws have changed so have peoples perceptions.Homosexuality isn't something new & it happens throughout the animal kingdom.Now that we aren't expected to procreate to fill fields, mines, boats, armies and factories what's the point in keeping the laws that still revile homosexuality? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJ Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 Not suggesting forcing Clergy to "Wed" couples if they don't feel comfortable.Would you feel the same about a clergyman who didn't feel "comfortable" marrying a black or disabled couple?It took a long time for those to become acceptable, though think you'll find mixed race couples found it harder than black couples to get wed.There have always been temples out there willing to do blessings, even before "civil partnership" but you wouldn't expect a Jewish couple to get married in the local Mormon Meeting house. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unlinkedstudent Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 Marriage was invented by the church. In essence, it is a ceremony in a church - yet I don't recall any mention of 'marriage' in the bible. Then along comes the Local Authorities/big wigs/Government and decide that it is something else to make dosh out of so registry offices were invented whereby the church marriage ceremonies were recognised. Time ticked along quite nicely and as religious beliefs fell by the wayside, so did getting married in church. Decades, if not centuries later (Haven't a bloody clue), civil partnerships for gays came about, although nothing for those wanting to 'live in sin' because apparently straights can get married. So how do you define 'legal' - a ceremony in a church isn't legal unless a Registrar is present thus bypassing the necessity to hop along to the registry office after the church ceremony. You can't force the church to accept something several denominations are against. Hells bells, England & Wales never repealed the Witchcraft Act so no doubt I'll burn in hell along with all those other deviants! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinner72 Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 But there have already been same sex marriages in church, a few right here in Shetland. The one I attended was identical to my own wedding in almost every aspect apart from the lack of a bride and an extra groom! Where does the difference come in? Or are these weddings not legal? As for clergy not feeling comfortable, that can be entirely normal for different sex couples as well depending on any number of factors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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