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Should Same-sex marriage be made Legal  

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  1. 1. Should Same-sex marriage be made Legal

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I sort of agree with the above post. Marriage seems to mean so little these days, other than having a big party. You can't promise to make a lifetime commitment 3 times. But if REAL lifetime partners want to make a commitment what should their gender have to do with it?

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I thought that Civil Partnerships were made legal in 2004.

 

Differences between Civil Partnerships and Civil Marriages

 

Although a civil partnership is essentially viewed as a “gay marriageâ€, between same sex partners, the reason it is not called a “gay marriageâ€, is that there are a few differences between a partnership and a marriage on a technical level.

 

A civil partnership becomes legal when the registration certificate is signed by both partners. This does not mean that it must be signed during a ceremony that is public or during any specific event. This allows the partner to enter into the partnership on a private basis. There need be no words exchanged. During a civil marriage, typically words are exchanged and then the register is signed.

 

A vast difference between a civil partnership and a civil marriage is that a civil marriage almost always contains religious aspects during the marriage. The word marriage is a religious word in itself. Additionally, a clergy can perform civil marriages, whereas only specified registrars can perform a civil partnership.

 

There are also vast similarities between the two. In both a civil partnership and a civil marriage, the couples are required to give public notice of the intentions. The records of both are kept as official and public documents with the registry offices. Couples are required to wait a total of 15 days prior to registration but after giving notice of the partnership. After the 15 day waiting period the registration is given, and then it is valid for one full year after the date of registration.

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http://www.civilpartnershipinfo.co.uk/

 

Is it perhaps the religious ceremony that you want made legal?

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Civil Partnership isn't Marriage, the fact that the name is different kind of highlights the fact. It should be 1 rule for all. Not suggesting forcing Clergy to "Wed" couples if they don't feel comfortable. Society changes slowly, but each step in the right direction through the law, helps acceptance, and reduces homophobia. Just look at how things have changed here in Shetland in the last 20years.

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Civil Partnership isn't Marriage, the fact that the name is different kind of highlights the fact. It should be 1 rule for all. Not suggesting forcing Clergy to "Wed" couples if they don't feel comfortable. Society changes slowly, but each step in the right direction through the law, helps acceptance, and reduces homophobia. Just look at how things have changed here in Shetland in the last 20years.

 

A phobia is a state of mind. I don't think you cure it by legislation.

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When I was a teen, it was still illegal for men to kiss in public. Two consenting males couldn't have sexual relations until they were both over 21. We couldn't have discussions about homosexuality in class at school. Homosexuality was seen as "dirty" to the extent that victims of rape found themselves in danger of prosecution themselves.

Females had an easier time regarding the law, but no easier time out in public.

As the laws have changed so have peoples perceptions.

Homosexuality isn't something new & it happens throughout the animal kingdom.

Now that we aren't expected to procreate to fill fields, mines, boats, armies and factories what's the point in keeping the laws that still revile homosexuality?

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Not suggesting forcing Clergy to "Wed" couples if they don't feel comfortable.

Would you feel the same about a clergyman who didn't feel "comfortable" marrying a black or disabled couple?

It took a long time for those to become acceptable, though think you'll find mixed race couples found it harder than black couples to get wed.

There have always been temples out there willing to do blessings, even before "civil partnership" but you wouldn't expect a Jewish couple to get married in the local Mormon Meeting house.

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Marriage was invented by the church. In essence, it is a ceremony in a church - yet I don't recall any mention of 'marriage' in the bible.

 

Then along comes the Local Authorities/big wigs/Government and decide that it is something else to make dosh out of so registry offices were invented whereby the church marriage ceremonies were recognised. Time ticked along quite nicely and as religious beliefs fell by the wayside, so did getting married in church. Decades, if not centuries later (Haven't a bloody clue), civil partnerships for gays came about, although nothing for those wanting to 'live in sin' because apparently straights can get married.

 

So how do you define 'legal' - a ceremony in a church isn't legal unless a Registrar is present thus bypassing the necessity to hop along to the registry office after the church ceremony.

 

You can't force the church to accept something several denominations are against. Hells bells, England & Wales never repealed the Witchcraft Act so no doubt I'll burn in hell along with all those other deviants! :wink:

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But there have already been same sex marriages in church, a few right here in Shetland. The one I attended was identical to my own wedding in almost every aspect apart from the lack of a bride and an extra groom!

 

Where does the difference come in? Or are these weddings not legal?

 

 

As for clergy not feeling comfortable, that can be entirely normal for different sex couples as well depending on any number of factors.

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