Israel vs. Middle Eastern Arab states

[KOYAANISQATSI]

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[Gibber]

oh dear

[KOYAANISQATSI]

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[ArabiaTerra]

oh dear

Hear, hear

I think you should read this : http://www.amazon.co.uk/Auschwitz-Nazis-Solution-Laurence-Rees/dp/0563522968/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1214592001&sr=8-3

 

and this :

http://www.amazon.co.uk/War-World-Historys-Age-Hatred/dp/0141013826/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1214592692&sr=8-3

 

I can lend them to you if you want, just PM me next time you're in Lerwick.

[ArabiaTerra]

The thing about history is there are many crackpot conspiracy theories which, if you are not familiar with the actual facts can seem very convincing. The thing is, most of them are garbage, and the holocaust deniers are among the worst. I've read a lot of history, mainly 20th century and the claims of the holocaust deniers just don't stand up, believe me.

 

They have about as much truth as the moon-shot deniers.

[Gibber]

 

"The right to search for the truth implies also a duty. One must not conceal any part of what one has recognized to be true."

 

Odd, you spent a lot of time on another thread trying to discredit Einstein. Perhaps you are quoting a Jew is to make you look less racist.

 

You're using a quote to strengthen your Holocaust denial argument that was said by Einstein after he fled Germany because of the impending Holocaust that you're arguing didn't happen? That's irony.

 

How I wish that somewhere there existed an island for those who are wise and of goodwill! In such a place even I would be an ardent patriot.

 

I think we can take Unst off the shortlist

 

 

The EU has a working definition of anti-Semitism.

 

In this thread you seem to have ticked these boxes

 

Making mendacious, dehumanizing, demonizing, or stereotypical allegations about Jews as such or the power of Jews as collective - such as, especially but not exclusively, the myth about a world Jewish conspiracy or of Jews controlling the media, economy, government or other societal institutions.

 

Denying the fact, scope, mechanisms (e.g. gas chambers) or intentionality of the genocide of the Jewish people at the hands of National Socialist Germany and its supporters and accomplices during World War II (the Holocaust).

 

Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.

 

As well as used phrases ‘Jew house’ and ‘Jew C**t’(although this one seems to have been deleted or its on another thread). And pasted content found on white supremacist websites.

 

Now you have maintained that you’re not a racist

 

“I am NOT and neither is the post.â€

 

Firstly it’s not up to you to decide whether or not you are a racist, its primarily up to those who you may or may not have offended.

 

Secondly using an upper case NOT doesn’t give you some kind of diplomatic immunity after posting hate speech.

 

The way I see it is, that racism isn’t stupidity as such (although please don’t think I’m precluding you from this category) but rather a lacking of something properly human. You might want to read the books ArabiaTerra has kindly linked to and then perhaps think about what you teach your children or what you take as gospel truth from hate sites and what you post on Shetlink.

 

Because it is pretty baffling that you are posting racist remarks on a forum that doesn’t have the same anonymity as the rest of the web. People know who other people are on Shetlink. Aren’t you worried about future employers or your family and friends seeing you deny the Holocaust or associating yourself with white supremacist websites?

[Gibber]

Sorry missed the blood libel one from the EU working definition

 

Is ritual murder still alive and well in the so called Jewish traditions of some, have those who died in and because of 9/11 all been just another blood sacrifice to a higher cause and to what end.

 

From EU Working Definition of Anti-Semitism

 

Using the symbols and images associated with classic antisemitism (e.g., claims of Jews killing Jesus or blood libel) to characterize Israel or Israelis.

[KOYAANISQATSI]

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[ArabiaTerra]

Again I state if there are questions needed to be asked about the authenticity of the gas chamber claims...

But this is the point. There are no questions to be asked about the authenticity of the gas chambers. They are there. Their design, purpose and use has been confirmed by survivors testimony, nazi testimony (including testimony from the commandant of Auschwitz), receipts and plans held by the firms which built them, documentary evidence from the firm which manufactured the Zyklon B, testimony from the Soviet soldiers who liberated them. What more do you need?

 

All you seem to have is an unsubstantiated claim that no Zyklon B residue was found in the walls. Those walls have been open to the elements for 50+ years, what do you expect? And not all of the gas chambers used Zyklon B anyway.

 

Please look at the evidence for, before you start looking for evidence against and please don't give equal credence to unsubstantiated claims posted on the web as you would to primary documentary evidence and that which is published in books, the two are not the same.

 

The Holocaust was the greatest crime ever committed by humanity. Please don't belittle those who died and the few who survived by posting this sh*t before you have done a hell of a lot more reading on the subject.

[KOYAANISQATSI]

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[crofter]

Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.

 

I don't see how this can be considered anti-semitic? I am not arguing that there is a policy of genocide towards Palestinians, but some of the Israeli military strategy strikes me as hardcore fascist stuff. How is it anti-semitic to point out the similarities?

[ArabiaTerra]

Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.

 

I don't see how this can be considered anti-semitic? I am not arguing that there is a policy of genocide towards Palestinians, but some of the Israeli military strategy strikes me as hardcore fascist stuff. How is it anti-semitic to point out the similarities?

I have to agree. What else is the Gaza Strip but the worlds largest Ghetto, where the residents daily lives and even their very survival are totally at the whim of the Israeli government?

 

However, to go to the other extreme and conclude that it is all the result of some Jewish/Templar/Illuminati/masonic/corporate/new world order/EU/US/UN conspiracy to conquer the world as Koy has done is to take the fast train to La-La land.

 

Remember the first rule of conspiracy theory research:

 

There is no conspiracy!

[ArabiaTerra]

The questions are out there, you can look for yourself.

 

Previous to 1992, anyone who publicly doubted or questioned the official 4.1 millon 'gassing' deaths at Auschwitz was labeled an anti-semite, neo-nazi skinhead at the very least. Quietly, because of revisionist findings, the official figure was lowered to 1.1 million. No mention was made of the missing 3 million.

Quote by who? From where? Quotes without sources are meaningless in this context.

[KOYAANISQATSI]

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[Gibber]

Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.

 

I don't see how this can be considered anti-semitic? I am not arguing that there is a policy of genocide towards Palestinians, but some of the Israeli military strategy strikes me as hardcore fascist stuff. How is it anti-semitic to point out the similarities?

 

I have to agree. What else is the Gaza Strip but the worlds largest Ghetto, where the residents daily lives and even their very survival are totally at the whim of the Israeli government?

 

I think you've already given 2 reasons why a comparison falls short in your posts; as crofter says there's no policy of genocide towards Palestinians and as ArabiaTerra effectively says the residents of Gaza are not exterminated as a race at the whim of the Israeli government. (I don't believe individuals are killed on a whim by the Israeli government either)

 

The Nazis did have a policy of genocide towards the Jews and they were exterminated on a genocidal scale at the will of the German government.

 

One way its anti-Semitic to equate the Jewish state with the Nazis is because its asserting that the Jews in some way deserved the Holocaust because they share a moral equivalence with the Nazis.

 

The picture from Gaza is ghastly. No one will deny that the Palestinians have suffered, few except the far right orthodox religious Jews want Israel to be an occupier, building more settlements in the West Bank is not Zionism and civilians getting killed in Gaza is sickening but as grim as it is, it isn't Nazism. There is no mechanism, or bureaucracy or collective will among the military or the civilian population to use the state as a machine for killing as many Palestinians/Arabs as possible. I believe the only declared genocidal intent is from Hamas.