Israel vs. Middle Eastern Arab states

[Gibber]

Previous to 1992, anyone who publicly doubted or questioned the official 4.1 millon 'gassing' deaths at Auschwitz was labeled an anti-semite, neo-nazi skinhead at the very least. Quietly, because of revisionist findings, the official figure was lowered to 1.1 million. No mention was made of the missing 3 million.

Quote by who? From where? Quotes without sources are meaningless in this context.

 

Well its from that rense thing again

http://www.rense.com/general53/aauz.htm

 

and here's a response to it

 

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/auschwitz_faq_09.html

 

And I dare say KOYATSI will google a further rebuttle from David Irving or somebody and copy and paste it verbatim while thinking he's at the bleeding edge of academic historical research.

 

As ArabiaTerra says these quotes are meaningless without citations. All you are proving is that there is a lot of dross on the Internet that will support you natural prejudices.

 

You're not some kind of unique maverick crusading cyber-scholar opening the eyes of the blind to the truth, slowly but diligently uncovering lines of connection between historical events, unpeeling another layer of the onion in a dimly lit room slowly getting to the core truths that they have hidden from us for so long.

 

You haven't found the Watergate tapes, you're not Mulder or Scullay (whichever's the bloke), and you are not in a film.

 

You're just one of a large number of racists with an internet connection.

[KOYAANISQATSI]

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[ArabiaTerra]

Remarkably, many of the album's pictures were taken when the camp's gas chambers and crematoria were operating at and above capacity as Hungarian Jews were arriving and being murdered.

You're just not getting it are you? Auschwitz/Birkenau was a vast complex of camps which covered several square miles. The gas chambers and crematoria formed only a very small part of the camp complex unlike the dedicated death camps such as Treblinka, Sobibor and Chelmno which consisted of little more than a railway siding, a platform, gas chambers and a crematorium.

 

Previous to 1992, anyone who publicly doubted or questioned the official 4.1 millon 'gassing' deaths at Auschwitz was labeled an anti-semite, neo-nazi skinhead at the very least. Quietly, because of revisionist findings, the official figure was lowered to 1.1 million. No mention was made of the missing 3 million.

Yes the number of deaths at Auschwitz was revised. This was because the role of the death camps mentioned above was underestimated and because the role of the einsatzgruppen who did most of their killing "in the field" was also underestimated. The true roles of these were poorly understood until after the fall of the Soviet Union and the Soviet archives were opened up. The revision of the Auschwitz figures did not lower the total number of people murdered during the Holocaust, in fact with the fall of the Soviet Union, the true scale of the persecution of other groups such as Poles and Gypsies became apparent and the scale of the Holocaust increased.

 

And BTW, the revision had nothing to do with the so-called revisionists

[Gibber]

This thread has been airbrushed!

 

By the Jews?!

[ArabiaTerra]

SSShh, Gibber, (Looks left, Looks right), I think we won.

[Gibber]

There's still stuff in the google cache used to search Shetlink though.

[MJ]

Auschwitz/Birkenau was the most dreadful thing I've ever seen. walking through the camps. It's when you see the piles, clothing, hair, babies shoes. The photos. Then you walk into one of the gas chambers. The most sickening thing is the men that did these things knew it was so wrong, they tried to destroy the evidence, as the "liberating" troops were coming their way they destroyed the kilns at birkenau.

 

Everyone knows the gate and sign at Auschwitz, but I think it's the gatehouse and train tracks at birkenau that are more frightening.

 

But all I'm trying to say is just because you try to destroy the evidence doesn't mean it didn't happen.

 

Trying to lower the estimates of the numbers killed does not make it any less of a crime, and the British people also have to realise their part in the atrocities.

Our country knew what was going on, but did nothing/v.little to stop these monsters.

And it's all the easier for people who "know" that they would never have been sent to one of these places. Because you're blood is purer than pure, you've never had an improper thought in your life, your politics is true and of course your neighbour isn't going to denounce you just for the hell of it.

Just aswell it doesn't happen nowadays, eh?

 

Go and see for yourself, before you make up your mind though, I mean the acres of huts, the white of the bone ash mixed into the soil, the human fat soap and candles, hair stuffed mattresses, the bullet holes in the walls, the medical diagrams, they could all be made up.

[ArabiaTerra]

and the British people also have to realise their part in the atrocities.

Our country knew what was going on, but did nothing/v.little to stop these monsters.

One of the great ironies of the war. We knew it was happening, but most of the information was signals intelligence encrypted with the enigma and decoded at Bletchly Park. The enigma decrypts (Ultra) were so secret and so crucial to the war effort in general that the risk of revealing the fact that the supposedly impregnable enigma code had been cracked was considered too great to allow the allies to act on the intel.

 

Also there is the practical difficulties of stopping it to be considered. Auschwitz/Birkenau was out of range of the British bombers and only just within range of the Americans. A raid was carried out on the neighbouring IG Farben chemical works (manned by slave labour from the camp) but the casualties suffered by the bombers taking part in the raid were such that no further raids were carried out that far into enemy territory until the final weeks of the war.

[Gibber]

30 of my girlfriend’s family were killed in the Holocaust. My girlfriend’s father was rescued from a train leaving Budapest for Auschwitz by Raoul Wallenberg. Without the actions of Raoul Wallenberg my 5 year old daughter wouldn’t exist.

 

http://www.raoulwallenberg.net/?en/wallenberg/raoul-wallenberg-s-biography.611.htm

 

He [my partner’s father] went on to become one of the first batch of medical graduates in Israel and worked as a cancer surgeon in Israel and the US. During the 6 Day War he helped injured Syrians and Israelis.

 

Here is a publication he wrote towards the end of his life from the Israel Medical Association Journal.

 

http://www.ima.org.il/imaj/dynamic/web/showArt.asp?id=1564&nMonth=3&nYear=2005&sCat=Focus&sJur=Vol%207

 

Perhaps KOYSTATSI would like to take note of the last paragraph written by a man who saw members of his family taken away to be murdered.

 

“Why should we revisit these events 60 years later? In the face of the increasing antisemitism in Europe and in the era of the growing tendency for Holocaust denial, I believe it is our duty to remember and to once again put the record straight. Even more important, this horror story needs to be told and retold – to honor those who became its victims and perishedâ€

[KOYAANISQATSI]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=976870941610001004

 

Go and see for yourself the human fat soap

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soap_made_from_human_corpses

Mainstream scholars of the Holocaust consider the "soap myth" to be part of the WWII folklore, rather than reflecting the way soap was chiefly produced in Germany during the war. Among others this view was held by the reputed Jewish historians Walter Laqueur, Gitta Sereny, and Deborah Lipstadt. The same view was held by Professor Yehuda Bauer of Israel's Hebrew University and by Shmuel Krakowski, archives director of Israel's Yad Vashem Holocaust center.

 

Before (*** Mod - watch yourself; this is an infringement of privacy whicy you yourself objected to previously, Koy' ***) brings legal threats, I should mention that David Cole the Jewish reporter who made the documentary later retracted every single claim he made in the film, without any external pressure being put on him whatsoever, I'm sure.

[Gibber]

Before Andrew Smith brings legal threats

 

Partially correct, which makes this the most accurate thing you've posted on this thread by a very large margin. Try try again!

 

[Gibber]

KOYATSI!

 

People like me are laughing at people like you

 

http://www.revisionism.nl/Potato/The-Mad-Revisionist.htm

[KOYAANISQATSI]

Good, you have taken your first step then:

 

All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.

[Gibber]

Good, you have taken your first step then:

 

All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.

 

Weren't you violently opposed to the mainstream version of historical fact, namely that the Holocaust happened? I understand that your lack of wit means you had to bypass the first stage. Hopefully your dislike of Jews won't stop you reaching the third stage and taking the Holocaust to be a self evident truth.

[KOYAANISQATSI]

Weren't you violently opposed to the mainstream version of historical fact

 

since I was compliant with the mainstream version of many "facts", both historic and scientific for the vast majority of my life, your assumtion is not entirely accurate. My opinion of current and historic events has changed, not my view on people and I'm not about to become antisemite just to make you happy. (It's unlikely anything Could make me chuck out my Mel Brooks dvds), Anyway since I now reckon the picts were the Shardana, right back to the tribe of Dan, as well as those Viking danes at a later date from another angle; for all you know I might be closer than you in line to Pharaoh Thutmose I, You know the guy you call moses. So Shalom yerself.