EM Posted June 20, 2010 Report Share Posted June 20, 2010 ^Definition is OK, if a little brief. To be clear, from the Wikipedia Stormtrooper (disambiguation) page:Stormtrooper, a member of German regular army shock troops (Sturmtruppen)Shock troops, commandos, or special forces in general... Note also that the original German use of the concept was from WWI not WWII, which both predated the NSDAP formation, and post-dated the original tactical development by the British. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibber Posted June 20, 2010 Report Share Posted June 20, 2010 Absolutley certain you are equating Israel with the nazis again. Amusing that you thought you got away with it and amusing to see you try to deny it. Note also that the original German use of the concept was from WWI not WWII, which both predated the NSDAP formation, and post-dated the original tactical development by the British. Please note the term gay used to commonly mean happy, it now means homosexual and it might mean lame in the near future as its meaning seems to be transitioning again. Perhaps stormtrooper will lose its Nazi connotations too in the future. It retains them today though and stormtrooper is synonymous with Nazi troops. When would anyone ever refer to UK stormtroopers in Iraq and mean commandos? When would anyone so anti-Israel as you ever refer to the IDF as stormtroopers and mean a strike force rather than an equavalency with nazis? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmabteilung The Sturmabteilung Storm Detachment or Battalion, abbreviated SA and usually translated as stormtroop(er)s, functioned as a paramilitary organization of the Nazi Party. It played a key role in Adolf Hitler's rise to power in the 1920s and 1930s. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Nazi_Party Namesake organization Today, the name "American Nazi Party" has been adopted by an organization headed by Rocky J. Suhayda. Headquartered in Westland, Michigan, this group claims George Lincoln Rockwell as their founder, but there is no actual connection to the original ANP or its successor organizations, apart from the fact that their website sells nostalgic reprints of Rockwell's 1960s-era magazine "The Stormtrooper". http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/Storm+troopers SA in full Sturmabteilung (German: “Assault Divisionâ€) known as Storm Troopers or Brownshirts http://www.macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/american/stormtrooper noun [countable] American English pronunciation: stormtrooper Word Forms1. a soldier in a violent nazi military group http://www.merriam-webster.com/netdict/storm%20trooper Main Entry: storm trooperFunction: nounDate: 1933 1 : a member of a private Nazi army notorious for aggressiveness, violence, and brutality2 : one that resembles a Nazi storm trooper http://www.yourdictionary.com/storm-trooper storm troopernoun 1. a. A member of the Nazi militia noted for brutality and violence. b. One who resembles or behaves like a member of the Nazi militia. 2. A member of a force of shock troops. http://www.allwords.com/word-stormtrooper.htmlnoun 1. A soldier trained in special infiltration tactics, especially a member of the Nazi Sturmabteilung. http://www.oxfordadvancedlearnersdictionary.com/dictionary/storm-trooper a soldier who is specially trained for violent attacks, especially one in Nazi Germany in the 1930s and 1940s http://www.thefreedictionary.com/storm+troops Noun 1. storm troopsStorm Troops - Nazi militia created by Hitler in 1921 that helped him to power but was eclipsed by the SS after 1943 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Njugle Posted June 20, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2010 Time out! That, Mr Gibber is tending toward over-reaction, surely? Can we just move on and get back on topic - EM, that means you too. It is not, hopefully, a competition to see who can be the most obstinate in their pedantry around the definition of one word. Drop the word and move on. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibber Posted June 20, 2010 Report Share Posted June 20, 2010 ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shetlandpeat Posted June 20, 2010 Report Share Posted June 20, 2010 there is a station called Democracy Now, an American based organisation that is quite wide spread.www.democracynow.org They have some interesting leads on most of the above, but not a dictionary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibber Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 Again? Yes, and again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marooned in Maywick Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 Look forward to keel hauling you and your rudderless shipwrecked arguments again soon! Again? Yes, and again. Sorry, Gibber, you appear to misunderstand. When I questioned your use of "again" it was because I was still waiting for the first occurence of you gaining anything even remotely resembling parity, far less an upper hand, in your debating with EM. I trust this clarifies matters. Now, back to the point, if you please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibber Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 You'll be in a position to tell me where my arguments have fallen short then, if I'm wrong I'd like to know where I've been wrong. Every day's a school day after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marooned in Maywick Posted June 22, 2010 Report Share Posted June 22, 2010 Evidently it didn't clarify matters. You were wrong to use the word 'again' when (in my opinion) there hadn't been a first instance of the event. I trust this clarifies matters this time. In the event that it doesn't, let it not detract from the issue being debated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibber Posted June 22, 2010 Report Share Posted June 22, 2010 No I understand, but I would have thought your opinion must be backed up by some sort of reasoning, hence You'll be in a position to tell me where my arguments have fallen short then... Perhaps you agree with EM that the word "stormtrooper" has a limited level of Nazi connotation and you are able to argue this point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Njugle Posted June 22, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 22, 2010 ok^Lie. Please attempt to focus on the relevant issues rather than diverge into pseudo-relevant bickering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marooned in Maywick Posted June 22, 2010 Report Share Posted June 22, 2010 My opinion is backed up by the numerous examples on this thread of you claiming your opinions to be facts. I have no desire to go over old ground so will refrain from re-posting that which is already easily accessible. I see you've brought up the 'stormtrooper' line, despite being asked by a moderator not to and agreeing to that request. I'll finish with yet another request to return to the topic under discussion however, since I do not wish to engage in any further discourse with someone quite so blinkered and incapable of rational debate, I shall take no part in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibber Posted June 22, 2010 Report Share Posted June 22, 2010 Didn't think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Njugle Posted June 22, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 22, 2010 Didn't think so. No relevant points to make then. Didn't think so. Please return to the discussion when you do. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibber Posted June 22, 2010 Report Share Posted June 22, 2010 ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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