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[go.oot.by.dog]

Krishnan Guru-Murthy gives Esther McVile the Minister

for disabled people a good grilling on CH4 news and i

do not think she coped to well when put under pressure

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KhDT2WFzUI

[shetlandpeat]

 

Now come on Pete man up and answer the question!

 

I have already suggested areas of investigation, and there are plenty of reports already in circulation that contradict the level these actions are being used, you telling me to man up means nothing, if you are not going to contribute, sadly, it sounds that you want others to make the choices for you.

It is not in my gift to change national policies of any body, it is in my gift though to get involved at a community level. Also, I am busy enough without pandering to someone I do not know.

Though I do not have the finer answers you demand, perhaps you could set something going, there are plenty here who disagree with what is going on.

 

There is no quick fix to welfare reforms, it is something that should be done over a long period with sustainable growth, of which there is none overall.

 

What the problem here is, and it is suitably highlighted amongst these threads is folk expect the authorities to do everything, they vote the same people in and complain there is no change. I have said it before, you may be the one who has to "(wo)man up" and take control of what goes on around you. Until then, nothing will happen...

[unlinkedstudent]

What the problem here is, and it is suitably highlighted amongst these threads is folk expect the authorities to do everything, they vote the same people in and complain there is no change. I have said it before, you may be the one who has to "(wo)man up" and take control of what goes on around you. Until then, nothing will happen...

 

Blimey, SP, I never thought I'd see the day when you suggested that peeps stopped relying on the nanny state and stood on their own two feet. Soooo, scrapping the welfare benefits system is your way forward then. Jeez, how disgusting of ya but you're right, peeps really must start to do things for themselves. I'm shocked, I truly am.

[Ghostrider]

I have said it before, you may be the one who has to "(wo)man up" and take control of what goes on around you. Until then, nothing will happen...

 

Or opt out, just like some of us already have, and let those idiots who think they know how to run things and those happy to whine about it yet still take their money all descend in to the mire of their making.

 

Low level anarchy is good.

[shetlandpeat]

What the problem here is, and it is suitably highlighted amongst these threads is folk expect the authorities to do everything, they vote the same people in and complain there is no change. I have said it before, you may be the one who has to "(wo)man up" and take control of what goes on around you. Until then, nothing will happen...

 

Blimey, SP, I never thought I'd see the day when you suggested that peeps stopped relying on the nanny state and stood on their own two feet. Soooo, scrapping the welfare benefits system is your way forward then. Jeez, how disgusting of ya but you're right, peeps really must start to do things for themselves. I'm shocked, I truly am.

 

Typically out of context. I said nothing about scrapping anything, it was about taking control, the likes of yourself who will not stand for what you believe in in a public space. You want the authorities to cut costs to keep your tax bills down yet you do nothing to aid that, if anything suggest they do more. Nothing to do with welfare or its removal, a dream only held by yourself and other Tories.

 

There are a number of folk "new" to council, sadly, too few.

 

As for the continuous stigmatisation that is the policy of Tories to meet their dreams of folk in certain groups, that has to stop. Very rare do we see impact assessments acted upon, normally they include "some" too many times.

 

Far from scrapping anything, more should be introduced, proper apprenticeships, a living wage, fair pay to carers. There are other members of the wider community who pay proportionally less.

Sadly, no assessment has been made on the mental welfare of those being hit by these draconian tests folk have to take to prove they are unable to work in a normal capacity. Though I doubt, as the ConDems put none Want to work. There is little point in saying someone can work, cutting their money they paying a different benefit to top up their needs. How much do you expect these struggling employers to pay on specific items that will facilitate a fairer work place, it is typical of the short sightedness of these policies, similar with housing benefits and council tax localisations.

[owre-weel]

 

Now come on Pete man up and answer the question!

 

I have already suggested areas of investigation, and there are plenty of reports already in circulation that contradict the level these actions are being used, you telling me to man up means nothing, if you are not going to contribute, sadly, it sounds that you want others to make the choices for you.

It is not in my gift to change national policies of any body, it is in my gift though to get involved at a community level. Also, I am busy enough without pandering to someone I do not know.

Though I do not have the finer answers you demand, perhaps you could set something going, there are plenty here who disagree with what is going on.

 

There is no quick fix to welfare reforms, it is something that should be done over a long period with sustainable growth, of which there is none overall.

 

What the problem here is, and it is suitably highlighted amongst these threads is folk expect the authorities to do everything, they vote the same people in and complain there is no change. I have said it before, you may be the one who has to "(wo)man up" and take control of what goes on around you. Until then, nothing will happen...

 

As usual Pete you jump to conclusions. As you say, you don't know me, and therefore should not make assumptions. I can assure you I have never sat back waiting for others to make my choices, just as I don't pretend to be an expert in all subjects, constantly thrusting my views on every subject.

 

I have on numerous occassions made my position known to those who are making the changes, probably much more effective then greetin and criticising on this forum.

 

But some folk just like to hear the sound of their own voice, 'in a forum type of way'

[unlinkedstudent]

Typically out of context.

 

Ah but SP, you do it to others ALL the time. See how you like it. Oh, you don't?

[shetlandpeat]

I do try not to quote my own post, most times, but now, we have further information on each other, minds can change. If you have made a stand, well done.

 

I have also said I am happy to meet up with folk, alas, none bar a couple have done so. I have to do my bidding on my own.

 

Unfortunately, life is not jolly, it would be seriously problematic if that were the case that it was, we need stimulus to test us, many a mix and so on..

 

You are quite right about this forum though, still, it is a distraction from real lives for a time.

 

http://raya.org.uk/Trumpton%20strike%20lo.jpg

[Distortio]

jeezus. hadn't read this for a day or 2.

 

so in a nutshell we have...

 

 

a collapsing economy caused by the greed of the super-rich criminal bankers.

 

billions given to those same banks to keep it all running.

 

ideologically driven cuts and attacks on the disadvantaged, justified by endlessly blaming the previous government. while awarding themselves (the millionaires on the tory front bench and their city friends/donors) a massive tax cut.

 

3 centre-right parties squabbling over details. that's democracy, kids.

 

a right wing press in tune with tory agenda being very vocal, typically noxious and scaremongering, and creating scapegoats in the poor/minorities. anyone wonder why nigel farage gets so much coverage without ukip having a single mp? or the bnp before them?

 

bbc, being "balanced" has to report on the right wing press angle and repeat it to anyone who disagrees to prove this balance. also the numerous "independant" think tanks they have on simply aren't. they are for the most part founded/run by tories/ex-tory ministers. and of course ex-tory party chair chris patten is chair of the bbc trust...

 

so the whole debate is essentially framed by the right wing press. frightening amounts of people who in many cases will be taking the hit themselves actually think this crisis was caused by benefits claimants! (seen the daily mail's take on the philpott's case?) classic divide and rule, the plebs are set against each other "i work 49 hours a day, 14 days a week, and i've been kicked in the nuts by this government, but they had to do it because my neighbour is on the dole. bless em, best thing ever happened to this country, the tories getting in...!"

 

what an increasingly ugly, sneery, judgemental culture. want to end the "culture of entitlement"? stop voting for posh bullingdon boys who are imbued with the (seemingly correct) presumption that they will be running things when they stumble out the gates of oxbridge and into parliament.

 

and wean yourself off the x-factor, and stop buying bad newspapers.

 

http://i954.photobucket.com/albums/ae26/distortio/2RTXSZH5_Comp.jpg

you, pleb, they are laughing at you frothing.

[paulb]

good post.

[Distortio]

also, this:

 

http://libcom.org/blog/%E2%80%9C-revolution-starts-atos-smoking-area%E2%80%9D-welfare-addiction-dependency-02042013

[go.oot.by.dog]

Excellent posts Distortio

[unlinkedstudent]

Na, you wrong, Distortio (Well, apart from those who dine out on the likes of the X Factor - not me, cos I haven't watched television since May last year).

 

I blame various governments and the civil servants who dreamt up the policies in the first place!

[Ghostrider]

30+ years on, no change. Get used to it people, this is how it is, nothing ever changes regardless of whoever is in charge, power corrupts.

 

They'll tear out your heart, throw it knee-deep in a cart

'cos that's what they do with the scum like me and you

And you feel as if you died, whilst you're standing on the line

And you wonder all the time why can't you cry?

But the people in control don't care for you

They're just a robot with a job to do

And when your use is exhausted, they'll be rid of you

As soon as look at you, go to the back of the queue!

 

His eyes are dull, they stole his soul

They left him to rot in some stinking council hole

Where they keep him doped on beer and hopes

Of television dreams he's living on the screens

He knows something that he used to believe in

That was: Every human being should have his freedom

But while his dungeon had a way to show him

He should be more useful, as they broke into his skull

 

Big Brother; Hazel O'Connor. BT (Before Thatcher).

[Distortio]

Na, you wrong, Distortio (Well, apart from those who dine out on the likes of the X Factor - not me, cos I haven't watched television since May last year).

 

I blame various governments and the civil servants who dreamt up the policies in the first place!

 

you can't have it both ways, blaming govt/civil servants (who are by no means the only people responsible for dreaming up policies) and at the same time defending those same policies.