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[Distortio]

yeah, so what? bit rich to criticise the source when you're copy/pasting straight from the tory party website...

 

so not addressing the fact that the tories are once again being proven to be manipulating figures? yes, all governments will do this to some degree to make themselves look better, but the sheer sneering smug audacity of doing it to justify making those with the least pay for the greed-induced failings of those with the most is really pushing the envelope.

 

and so what if they set up the OBR. surely the point is the tories are being called out on their outright lies by the very body they installed to do just that. you'd think they'd have more wit, eh? well, maybe not. maybe they've seen the staggering amount their banker mates got away with and decided to see if they can be that brazen. so far some people are swallowing it.

[daveh]

yeah, so what? bit rich to criticise the source when you're copy/pasting straight from the tory party website...

 

so not addressing the fact that the tories are once again being proven to be manipulating figures? yes, all governments will do this to some degree to make themselves look better, but the sheer sneering smug audacity of doing it to justify making those with the least pay for the greed-induced failings of those with the most is really pushing the envelope.

 

and so what if they set up the OBR. surely the point is the tories are being called out on their outright lies by the very body they installed to do just that. you'd think they'd have more wit, eh? well, maybe not. maybe they've seen the staggering amount their banker mates got away with and decided to see if they can be that brazen. so far some people are swallowing it.

 

Me quoting from the excellent Conservative party website, is no different to virtually all the quotes from others, anti-Conservative, on this thread to date. Anyway, you have provided a link to the Guardian so it's a bit rich from you, actually.

 

You consider the Tories to be smug, I don't. You just don't like hearing common sense and the truth being told and, perhaps, can't recognise it after 13 years of Labour's lies. Such a shame, that.

 

As for the bankers being mates, I think that you have listened to the likes of Dennis Skinner and Ed Balls too much. If you look back, I think you will find that Gordon Brown was almost up the backside of the top bankers in London in his time. Why didn't he do anything about the banker's bonuses that seem to be so unpopular? Why, in fact, did Gordon Brown recommend a knighthood to be bestowed upon Freddie Godwin for his "services to banking"?

[Distortio]

not sure why you assume i'm a labour supporter.

 

point is you dismissed my quotes because they came from the guardian, yet consider yours valid despite coming from propaganda central.

 

anyway, since you're not responding to the actual criticisms and would rather have meta-arguments i will bid you good day as it's sunny out.

 

don't get hit by a bus or anything now.

 

NSFW

[daveh]

 

point is you dismissed my quotes because they came from the guardian, yet consider yours valid despite coming from propaganda central.

 

anyway

A very conflicting comment !

 

Anyway, enjoy the sunshine.

[MuckleJoannie]

^^

 

Cut the cynicism out !

 

What exactly is your problem with the change from 3 to 7 days?

 

Not all of us are lucky enough to have money in the bank or food in the larder to tide us over a few days without pay.

 

From the article I quoted above a comment from a well known left wing group.

 

The Catholic Church said: "The proposed seven-day wait before jobseekers can claim benefits could cause severe financial hardship for families who are already trying to balance tight budgets and meet rent payments. Without robust safeguards in place, the requirement that claimants learn English has the potential to penalise some of the most vulnerable members of society."

[daveh]

^^

 

I am retired now but, when I started a job (I had a total of 11 jobs and was made redundant once with a minimal settlement) I would always have to wait a month until I received my first salary.

If someone has previously been working, under the new rules (which I think don't come in until 2015), they would have had their previous salary to draw upon for the week until they can sign on.

As regards the requirement to speak English, the government will continue to fund the language classes. What is wrong with that? I would have thought it a basic requirement that a job-seeker, looking to work in the UK, should be encouraged to integrate into the wider community.

[paulb]

what about the Gaelic or Welsh only speakers. That requirement is raciest. and if challenged will fail.

 

daveh try living with nothing for a week or month. yet nothing to recover the avoided tax.

AFTER ALL WE ARE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER

[daveh]

what about the Gaelic or Welsh only speakers. That requirement is raciest. and if challenged will fail.

 

daveh try living with nothing for a week or month. yet nothing to recover the avoided tax.

AFTER ALL WE ARE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER

I don't see it as racist, whatsoever.

Besides, I would very much doubt that there are any Welsh or Gaelic speakers, living in the UK, who can't speak English.

If it is challenged, then so be it.

As for being in it together, I am. Are you?

[tom thumb]

come on dave enuffs e nuff

get on with the gardening

[daveh]

Good point, Mr Thumb.

 

I have to go and scare the slugs away whilst avoiding the damn midges !

[JustMe]

A friend of mine recently lost his job. Text message from the firm saying "we have ceased trading--do not come in tomorrow". Yes I am sure he will be entitled to redundancy money and perhaps pay in lieu of notice but meanwhile he has to live and support his family. Job was poorly paid and he was paid weekly so no backup funds to cover against sudden loss of work. I do hope the government's new plans take account of people like my friend. Or maybe the next government will change the rules.

[go.oot.by.dog]

The Wonga coup: Chancellor George Osborne's 'gift to the payday lenders' in Government Spending Review

 

Just like Cameron says "We Are All In This Together"

 

From here -

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/david-cameron-wanted-to-wave-through-donors-policy-to-destroy-rights-of-workers-7593585.html

 

Adrian Beecroft, a venture capitalist who has given £593,000 to the Conservatives since Mr Cameron became leader in 2005, recommended companies be allowed to sack unproductive workers at will. The businessman, whose interests include payday loans company Wonga.com argued that "coasting" workers inhibit economic growth and deter employers from recruiting.

 

And

 

David Cameron's senior adviser leaves to lobby for Wonga

The Prime Minister's adviser on digital strategy, Jonathan Luff, is leaving Downing Street to become a a lobbyist for Wonga, the controversial payday lender.

 

From here -

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/david-cameron/9642807/David-Camerons-senior-adviser-leaves-to-lobby-for-Wonga.html

 

And here -

 

Top Tory funder runs high-cost loans company

 

A top Conservative Party funder is revealed today as the man behind one of Britain’s biggest high-cost lenders.

 

Financier Henry Angest – a friend of the Camerons and a former Tory Treasurer – gave the Conservatives a £5m overdraft facility shortly before the last General Election at an attractive interest rate of just 3.5 per cent.

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/top-tory-funder-runs-highcost-loans-company-8656356.html

[go.oot.by.dog]

Work Programme year two result: FAIL

 

The government’s flagship Work Programme has failed to reach its own minimum standard of results – for the second year running.

 

To summarise: The Work Programme has failed to hit targets in its second year, with the results being particularly disastrous for the sick and disabled.

 

Full article here -

 

http://mikesivier.wordpress.com/2013/06/27/work-programme-year-two-result-fail

 

So yet again it is the least able who are suffering the most......

 

And here -

 

Government's £5bn Work Programme 'still failing and failing badly' as figures reveal only one in 20 sick and disabled people have been found lasting jobs

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/top-tory-funder-runs-highcost-loans-company-8656356.html

[daveh]

A friend of mine recently lost his job. Text message from the firm saying "we have ceased trading--do not come in tomorrow". Yes I am sure he will be entitled to redundancy money and perhaps pay in lieu of notice but meanwhile he has to live and support his family. Job was poorly paid and he was paid weekly so no backup funds to cover against sudden loss of work. I do hope the government's new plans take account of people like my friend. Or maybe the next government will change the rules.

 

Hopefully, he will be proactive and successful in finding another job quickly.

[paulb]

What happens if they don't. are they lesser than a worker. you said your a pensioner you do realise your group is next for the cuts.