SNP - Proposed airgun legislation

[Colin]

"The thing is these new laws will only apply in Scotland.There is nothing to stop the neds crossing the border and buying as many airguns as he likes in England and bringing them back home to sell for a handsome profit .Or he can just phone a mate in England and get him to post it up to him."

 

Didn't they try the Poll Tax on Scotland 1st?

[redrobbie]

"The thing is these new laws will only apply in Scotland.There is nothing to stop the neds crossing the border and buying as many airguns as he likes in England and bringing them back home to sell for a handsome profit .Or he can just phone a mate in England and get him to post it up to him."

 

Didn't they try the Poll Tax on Scotland 1st?

The irony of that is the SNP rallied against Scotland being used as a guinea pig for the poll tax ,and now it is them using Scotland as a guinea pig for the air gun tax.

[redrobbie]

Originally they were proposing more drastic measures.Not sure what made them water it down. http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/snp-pledge-to-use-new-powers-to-ban-airguns-1-1042280

[shetlandpeat]

The thing is these new laws will only apply in Scotland.There is nothing to stop the neds crossing the border and buying as many airguns as he likes in England and bringing them back home to sell for a handsome profit .Or he can just phone a mate in England and get him to post it up to him.

 

 

Why would they cross the border to buy air weapons? When there is no requisite proposed to produce a license to buy one as Robbie said in Scotland if the Act is passed?

 

 

Under the SNP proposals you will NOT have to produce a valid airgun certificate before buying a airgun.What their reasoning is I don't know. 

 

 

Especially as a post made earlier suggests that air weapons are about £100 on average.

 

http://www.ronniesunshines.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/small_image/200x/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/a/i/airguns-pistols-asg-danwesson2.5nickel.jpg£139

What would be the point of a gun with a 2.5" muzzle?

 

Perhaps, just to aid concealment?

 

This sort of weapon makes is a little difficult to accept that the new act is wrong.

 

As I have mentioned though it is the safety using these weapons that should be addressed..

 

http://extras.springer.com/2008/978-3-540-37581-4/dvdfigures/dvdchapter10/images/36b%20air%20gun%20pellet%201_jpg.jpg

Edited March 1, 2014 by shetlandpeat

[Grandma]

There is no human activity that is risk free. https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=image+fishing+hook+in+human+eye&rlz=1C1CHFX_en-GBGB564GB564&espv=210&es_sm=93&tbm=isch&imgil=tbyp0sTsBBLdkM%253A%253Bhttps%253A%252F%252Fencrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com%252Fimages%253Fq%253Dtbn%253AANd9GcTscmR3H4zF1jFgVJ2Syma-eHb7CsOmJ7mWAd2Gva4PEHXw-kknFQ%253B236%253B169%253BvHkbqzhCaP72bM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.pinterest.com%25252Felizabethjetton%25252Fthe-amazing-human-body%25252F&source=iu&usg=__8ilpBAqkvJLf2QTnY36rSmlgIVg%3D&sa=X&ei=M70RU7-wJKyw7Aadz4DABw&ved=0CDwQ9QEwBQ&biw=1455&bih=760#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=tbyp0sTsBBLdkM%253A%3BvHkbqzhCaP72bM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fmedia-cache-ec0.pinimg.com%252F236x%252Fa3%252F05%252F28%252Fa3052898b973cf8596996acddd34d96e.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.pinterest.com%252Felizabethjetton%252Fthe-amazing-human-body%252F%3B236%3B169

[Grandma]

I would have thought the SNP would have bigger fish to fry if they are really interested in public safety this for eg.   http://www.unionsafety.eu/pdf_files/DogsChildrenPeopleInjuredKilledInDogAttacks.pdf

[shetlandpeat]

I certainly do agree with that Grandma, though, there are many things a GOV has to work on.

 

It is something that keeps me occupied at times.

[Grandma]

My information is that last year there were 171 reported'' incidents'' involving air guns in Scotland last year[,this compares with 415 offences in 2003].4 people required hospital treatment.Their were no fatalities.Compare this with just one hospital in Aberdeen which treated over 200 people for dog bits .Another thing i found out was that the junkie who shot and killed the little boy in Glasgow was the first person ever to be convicted  of murder using an air gun in the UK.I understand that one person dies every year on average because of air-gun misuse in the UK.this compares with 3 people killed every year after being hit by lightning make of that what you will.I just feel this proposed legislation is heavy handed disproportional,and not backed up by any evidence whatsoever that air gun misuse is a significant  and rising problem .In actual fact air gun misuse is a tiny and fast dropping problem.Which would suggest in my humble opinion that the present arrangements in conjunction with robust police enforcement and education  is in fact working..So why the big push for this massive change which will in fact drive up the reported offences as more and more people fall foul of these new laws most of which will be of a technical nature. ie [victimless] .    . 

Edited March 1, 2014 by Grandma

[redrobbie]

My information is that last year there were 171 reported'' incidents'' involving air guns in Scotland last year[,this compares with 415 offences in 2003].4 people required hospital treatment.Their were no fatalities.Compare this with just one hospital in Aberdeen which treated over 200 people for dog bits .Another thing i found out was that the junkie who shot and killed the little boy in Glasgow was the first person ever to be convicted  of murder using an air gun in the UK.I understand that one person dies every year on average because of air-gun misuse in the UK.this compares with 3 people killed every year after being hit by lightning make of that what you will.I just feel this proposed legislation is heavy handed disproportional,and not backed up by any evidence whatsoever that air gun misuse is a significant  and rising problem .In actual fact air gun misuse is a tiny and fast dropping problem.Which would suggest in my humble opinion that the present arrangements in conjunction with robust police enforcement and education  is in fact working..So why the big push for this massive change which will in fact drive up the reported offences as more and more people fall foul of these new laws most of which will be of a technical nature. ie [victimless] . 

[redrobbie]

My information is that last year there were 171 reported'' incidents'' involving air guns in Scotland last year[,this compares with 415 offences in 2003].4 people required hospital treatment.Their were no fatalities.Compare this with just one hospital in Aberdeen which treated over 200 people for dog bits .Another thing i found out was that the junkie who shot and killed the little boy in Glasgow was the first person ever to be convicted  of murder using an air gun in the UK.I understand that one person dies every year on average because of air-gun misuse in the UK.this compares with 3 people killed every year after being hit by lightning make of that what you will.I just feel this proposed legislation is heavy handed disproportional,and not backed up by any evidence whatsoever that air gun misuse is a significant  and rising problem .In actual fact air gun misuse is a tiny and fast dropping problem.Which would suggest in my humble opinion that the present arrangements in conjunction with robust police enforcement and education  is in fact working..So why the big push for this massive change which will in fact drive up the reported offences as more and more people fall foul of these new laws most of which will be of a technical nature. ie [victimless] . 

I must apologize and point out my last 3 entries went under Grandma by mistake i did not realise they were  logged in .The views expressed were mine[redrobbie] and not Grandma..My apologies again for any confusion.  

[shetlandpeat]

Hope you are sharing a PeeCee Robbie/Grandma.

[Ghostrider]

What would be the point of a gun with a 2.5" muzzle?

 

Perhaps, just to aid concealment?

 

This sort of weapon makes is a little difficult to accept that the new act is wrong.

 

As I have mentioned though it is the safety using these weapons that should be addressed..

 

http://extras.springer.com/2008/978-3-540-37581-4/dvdfigures/dvdchapter10/images/36b%20air%20gun%20pellet%201_jpg.jpg

 

 

What is this image Peat, does it contribute to the debate, or is it just gratuitous porn, decoration, or what?

 

I can't make head nor tail of it, without reference to scale and/or location its meaningless.

[redrobbie]

Hope you are sharing a PeeCee Robbie/Grandma.

Yes we were.

[shetlandpeat]

It is an operation to an eye that had received a pelet from an air weapon.

 

As I said, the main issue is of course safety, if you were using such a weapon in the course of your work, RAs would dictate eye protection. Sadly, in this case none was used.

 

The other part of this is anmal cruelty, every focus is on injuries to people, I would think you could multiply the numbers there by many times when it comes to animal injuries caused by air weapons.

 

From the RSPCA

 

 

Tuesday 05 November 2013

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Injuries to animals that were shot with air rifles leapt by more than 40% last year

 

And has been going on for years.

 

http://www.wildlifeextra.com/go/news/air-gun-attacks.html#cr

 

Generaly with smaller animals, the pellet passes through them.

 

There are also the numbers of wild life that are killed or maimed for "sport"

 

Horses have also been a target.

 

There is also damage to public property, signs have been damaged and have needed to be replaced, street lights have been damaged. Just some of the normal speed circles can cost about £60 plus the time to change them, some lanterns on streetlights, once pepered with a few pelets can cost up to £800 to replace, something I come across nearly every working day.

 

It is these sorts of actions that will grab the public view and push in favour of more controls.

[Ghostrider]

.....street lights have been damaged.

 

Can't see this reason earning the issue much support locally.....at the rate lights have been falling down, falling apart and packing up and not being repaired these last couple of years, anyone wanting to damage them with anything better hurry up, or they're going to have their work cut out finding one worth doing it to.