shetlandpeat Posted March 1, 2014 Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 These policies will not be solely governed by a few lights in Shetland, but of the whole of Scotland, so your comment will not make any difference. Issues with streetlights do come under other expectations and rights, if you are woried, then insist upon their repair.Though, knowing the policies would be a start for you, and a subject for another thread perhaps.. I have several observations on the costs to authorities as regards hit and run offences on street furniture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian.smith Posted March 1, 2014 Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 (edited) That will mean 5 years mandatory jail sentence for possession of unlicensed airgun.I kid you not.Robbie thats not true I have been out of criminal law for a while but I believe that the possesion must occur during the comission of a crime Another link. http://www.merseyside.police.uk/protecting-you/gun-crime.aspx i think folks had better start checking their sheds,cupboards and lofts for those long forgotten airguns otherwise they could well be spending a long time away from home. its not covered by section 5 Robbie Edited March 1, 2014 by brian.smith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostrider Posted March 1, 2014 Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 These policies will not be solely governed by a few lights in Shetland, but of the whole of Scotland, so your comment will not make any difference. Issues with streetlights do come under other expectations and rights, if you are woried, then insist upon their repair.Though, knowing the policies would be a start for you, and a subject for another thread perhaps.. I have several observations on the costs to authorities as regards hit and run offences on street furniture. Try and learn the difference between sarcasm and statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shetlandpeat Posted March 1, 2014 Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 That was a higher level of sarcasm, you just need to think a bit more... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostrider Posted March 1, 2014 Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 ^ That's fine, you stay in your world, I'll stay in mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redrobbie Posted March 1, 2014 Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 (edited) That will mean 5 years mandatory jail sentence for possession of unlicensed airgun.I kid you not.Robbie thats not true I have been out of criminal law for a while but I believe that the possesion must occur during the comission of a crime Another link. http://www.merseyside.police.uk/protecting-you/gun-crime.aspx i think folks had better start checking their sheds,cupboards and lofts for those long forgotten airguns otherwise they could well be spending a long time away from home. its not covered by section 5 Robbie Could you please clarify your point Brian .Im not sure what you are getting at. Edited March 1, 2014 by redrobbie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redrobbie Posted March 1, 2014 Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 (edited) It is an operation to an eye that had received a pelet from an air weapon. As I said, the main issue is of course safety, if you were using such a weapon in the course of your work, RAs would dictate eye protection. Sadly, in this case none was used. The other part of this is anmal cruelty, every focus is on injuries to people, I would think you could multiply the numbers there by many times when it comes to animal injuries caused by air weapons. From the RSPCA Tuesday 05 November 2013 http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2013/11/4/268607/default/v2/eh-shot-lurcher-xray-1-522x293.jpg http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2013/11/4/268609/default/v2/eh-shotcat-sw-1-522x293.jpg Injuries to animals that were shot with air rifles leapt by more than 40% last year And has been going on for years. http://www.wildlifeextra.com/go/news/air-gun-attacks.html#cr Generaly with smaller animals, the pellet passes through them. There are also the numbers of wild life that are killed or maimed for "sport" Horses have also been a target. There is also damage to public property, signs have been damaged and have needed to be replaced, street lights have been damaged. Just some of the normal speed circles can cost about £60 plus the time to change them, some lanterns on streetlights, once pepered with a few pelets can cost up to £800 to replace, something I come across nearly every working day. It is these sorts of actions that will grab the public view and push in favour of more controls.Last time i looked shooting cats and street lights etc was illegal under excising laws.But since you mention cats here is a interesting link.What is RSPB view on this. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-19353/Cats-kill-275-million-animals-year.html also judging by the number of wounds on this cat i would strongly suspect a shotgun was the weapon used. Edited March 1, 2014 by redrobbie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redrobbie Posted March 1, 2014 Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 Kenny MacasKILL has said on a number of occasion's that Scotland has a specific and significant problem with airgun misuse in fact he claimed some communities were ''blighted'' by airgun crime.With only 171 reported offences involving airguns for the whole of Scotland compared to 3554 for England and wales last year both claims are patent nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian.smith Posted March 2, 2014 Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 That will mean 5 years mandatory jail sentence for possession of unlicensed airgun.I kid you not.Robbie thats not true I have been out of criminal law for a while but I believe that the possesion must occur during the comission of a crime Another link. http://www.merseyside.police.uk/protecting-you/gun-crime.aspx i think folks had better start checking their sheds,cupboards and lofts for those long forgotten airguns otherwise they could well be spending a long time away from home. its not covered by section 5 Robbie Could you please clarify your point Brian .Im not sure what you are getting at. To attract a 5 year minimum sentence Robbie it would have to be a weapon which would require a full firearms certificate. I accept that some air rifles come under this but only the most powerful. Normally a court will also require an agrivation to this offence for example possesion during the commision of a crime or the weapon is held by someone who would normally be excluded from holding a firearms certificate previous convictions mental health issues etc. Ive only had one previous experiance of the 5 year starting point and that was because the person had a previous conviction for armed robbery. It is the same as carrying a knife there is always a reasonable excuse which forms a defence. For example jeez its been up in the loft for years and I didnt know it was there would if accepted by the court be a reasonable excuse under knowledge and control. Not good at explaining Robbie but hope that sheds some light on current legislation.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shetlandpeat Posted March 2, 2014 Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 (edited) Last time i looked shooting cats and street lights etc was illegal under excising laws.But since you mention cats here is a interesting link.What is RSPB view on this. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-19353/Cats-kill-275-million-animals-year.html also judging by the number of wounds on this cat i would strongly suspect a shotgun was the weapon used. Yup, cats are very well know for their skills that they were born with and their instinct, however, while they cannot help this they do not use any other weapons but the skills they have inbuilt. It is, a very poor attempt to deflect this, as, in law, it is a criminal act to harm an animal such as this in such a way. Perhaps, if the SNP are as bad as you maintain, you could suggest to your MP that laws a brought in to deal with this, we can get back to hanging monkeys as well, as we have done in the past, pigs too were also hung as a punishment.Also, are you saying the RSPCA have lied about the cat? It has two wounds, what looks like and entry and exit would as well as associated injuries due to the pellet as it ricocheted of the animals skull. Also, it seems in some cases the laws do not work, however this is no justification not to have further controls, as most of these crimes go undetected and are not cost effective as far as Police resources go, perhaps Robbie, part of your campaign should also support that the money that would have been spent on this new Act be spent on improving Policing and other social areas to improve the land, the attitude of some of its inhabitants. I would support that Robbie. On the whole, folk will care more about the injured horse or guide dog due to misuse of an air weapon than they will the perceived hassle that a few will have to go through if they want to keep such a weapon. That could be where your campaign may fail.Think of the costs as well Robbie, if it could be successfully projected that these sorts of crime could be reduced by further legislation, it will also save those who have animals that are shot by these weapons a considerable fortune when it comes to vet bills. Again though, where do you spend the money, it does have to be spent either on further control or giving the authorities the resources to pursue all of these crimes, petty as they seem to some. Edited March 2, 2014 by shetlandpeat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gafynandrew Posted March 2, 2014 Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 Aaarite grandma! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gafynandrew Posted March 2, 2014 Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 What would be the point of a gun with a 2.5" muzzle? Perhaps, just to aid concealment? This sort of weapon makes is a little difficult to accept that the new act is wrong. As I have mentioned though it is the safety using these weapons that should be addressed.. http://extras.springer.com/2008/978-3-540-37581-4/dvdfigures/dvdchapter10/images/36b%20air%20gun%20pellet%201_jpg.jpg What is this image Peat, does it contribute to the debate, or is it just gratuitous porn, decoration, or what? I can't make head nor tail of it, without reference to scale and/or location its meaningless. I'm not being picky here but to me that looks photoshopped. There are no rifling marks on the head or skirt of the pellet. If it's real I very much hope the victim made a full recovery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shetlandpeat Posted March 2, 2014 Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 You could be right, though a GAT gun is not rifled as rifled as far as I can remember. There are other images and tales of eye injury. Not every incident of being shot via an airweapon is reported, I would think perhaps only those that were of some concern. As for my comment about shooting in the back garden and highways, it is the gun users responsibility as well to ensure that pellets do not leave the boundary of the garden, shooting at tins and bottles could cause that to happen, where as paper targets and a sand or other energy absorbent material should be on 3 sides of the target. gafynandrew 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gafynandrew Posted March 2, 2014 Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 I doubt that a GAT gun has the power to penetrate the human eye, you cuold fire those things and catch the pellet before it hit the ground Yep, so long as no pellet leaves the garden perimiter and you have a suitable backstop then you're not breaking any law as far as I'm aware. I was gonna put up a pic of a fired and unfired .22 pellet which I dug out of my backstop but I can't figure out how to add attachments on this site..Maybe you have to upload elsewhere and transfer it here?? On that note, handy tip for a good garden backstop. Cereal packet's are a rather snug fit for most catalogue's (especially the Special K packets) Put the said catalogue into cereal packet and away you go. I've been doing that for years and I've never had a bounce-back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shetlandpeat Posted March 2, 2014 Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 (edited) I used 2" polystyrene backed with ply in boxes most times, also my home made target holder had a sheet angled at 45 degrees behind it and the pellets were collected in the trap below. As for your pictures, you would need to load them onto a 3rd party site, say a blog or dropbox/photobucket and insert the link. I have seen some nasty bruising from a GAT gun, mind, only done by the muzzle slipping its latch. Looking, it does seem that the picture is somewhat dubious, here is an image of a pellet that has been down a rifled barrel. http://www.photosbykev.com/wordpress/wp-content/gallery/various/_mg_9921_crop.jpg You can see the marks left. So, a real story.... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/1897298.stm Edited March 2, 2014 by shetlandpeat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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