shetlandpeat Posted May 17, 2014 Report Share Posted May 17, 2014 UKIP want to curtail the rights of women. You need to understand Robbie that if the legislation comes in without any opposition with compromise, you will get the wost case senario. As for compensation, you are talking about a weapon that was outlawed due to the numbers of killings with said weapon. Air weapons are not going to be outlawed, just registered.As for border controls, perhaps they are so small a thing to worry about. I mean, do you think that there is going to be an air weapon tourist industry, of a wrath of addressed just south of the border with hundreds of air weapon owners registered there. To be hones, it is tiny when it comes to the wider issue and numbers. Is there any mapping of air weapon ownership and does it show a hgh proliferation along the border? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulb Posted May 17, 2014 Report Share Posted May 17, 2014 oh no its not a minor issue peat. if a person is doing nothing unlawful in one spot but a few feet away they could face 2 years for doing nothing. it makes sense then that every road entering scotland should have a warning notice. there is an increase of cross boarder air gunning during the lowland haggis season. peat be careful about curtailing rights and attacking vulnerable folks your last government were not the greatest for the sick and old. in fact with the mess up of the banks ect your party has damaged womens futures more than any party in a very long time. lets not even talk about blairs war crimes. redrobbie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redrobbie Posted May 17, 2014 Report Share Posted May 17, 2014 Hand guns were not banned what they did was change the law so that target shooting was no longer good reason to get one.People can still get one for various reasons including for humane dispatch of animals .According to Wikipedia there are are over 500 legal hand gun owners in Scotland alone.For various reasons the SNP legislation will indeed mean a ban for the majority of air gun owners in Scotland and the SNP expect the public to hand over their previously legally held private property for no compensation. As i have previously stated this is against EU law.Its the SNP who want to curtail my rights and that is what will decide the way i vote.The SNP are being very foolish annoying and alienating 100,000's of Scottish air gun owners just before 2 very important elections this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shetlandpeat Posted May 17, 2014 Report Share Posted May 17, 2014 Bit picky with that, the reason hand guns were banned in the main was to do with the Snowdrop Petition, where witha few exceptions, they were banned. An indication on how dangerous they could be was the fact that ex-police and other public bodies in Northern Ireland were exempt as they needed protection. Paul, why are you warning me, FFS, it has nothing to do really what is going on here. UKIP want weapons, and to be available. If you look at their pedigree, you will see that their stance is far worse, as they want to do much more than any other party has. As for border, get real, do you honestly think that this will really happen? It will be no different to any other country outside of the EU. There will always be folk who will take advantage. You will be a seperate country, those who reside in Scotland will have to register their air weapons, those who don't will not have to. Similar to driving a car or any other vehicle. However, in Europe, you can drive from one end to the other with the same license and insurance, same MOT and car, you may have to adjust the headlights. If Scotland becomes independant, are you honestly suggesting that anythig will really change that would bother most ordinary residents, of course, there will be those who think themselves special. You are already turning an independant Scotland into some sort of 1984 set. “So long as they (the Proles) continued to work and breed, their other activities were without importance. Left to themselves, like cattle turned loose upon the plains of Argentina, they had reverted to a style of life that appeared to be natural to them, a sort of ancestral pattern...Heavy physical work, the care of home and children, petty quarrels with neighbors, films, football, beer and above all, gambling filled up the horizon of their minds. To keep them in control was not difficult.†Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redrobbie Posted May 17, 2014 Report Share Posted May 17, 2014 My main point was that in the case of handguns the rules for ownership was changed most people could not furfile the new laws so had to surrender their guns and were fully compensated.Now that is the same situation in Scotland the law is going to change the majority will be unable to furfile the new requirements so will be forced on the pain of 2 years in jail to hand in there air guns but with no compensation.Why?.One interesting thing i found out was that handgun owners were able to keep their guns until their certificates ran out in some cases this was 5 years after the law was changed. The thing about the SNP is they are always banging on about ''freedom'' yet at the first opportunity they are imposing draconian laws removing rights and privileges that have been enjoyed for generations and imposing a big brother society .It is all for our own good they will say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redrobbie Posted May 17, 2014 Report Share Posted May 17, 2014 (edited) Here is a article from today's Scottish. express.http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/476225/Air-gun-fans-enraged-by-Scottish-Government-bid-for-licensing Edited May 17, 2014 by redrobbie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redrobbie Posted May 17, 2014 Report Share Posted May 17, 2014 (edited) The SNP continually use [including in their bill] the term ''air weapon''now according to my dictionary the term weapon means [anything used against an opponent adversary or victim] so that means unless it is being used to harm someone it is not a weapon.Anything could be used as a weapon you could have a car weapon [they do kill thousands each year] a golf club weapon,a hammer weapon etc etc.Now why do the SNP use this term it is so they came make air guns and by definition their owners sound more sinister and dangerous.The correct term is air gun this is the tern used in all previous legislation .Why the change suddenly ? i think we should be told. Another thing the SNP and Kenny Macaskill in particular have been repeatedly asked how much is this all going to cost despite refuting the initial cost of £100,000,000 to date they have refused to tell us.their estimate for some reason.It is worth remembering that many off these costs will be repeated every 5 years as certificates have to be renewed. Edited May 17, 2014 by redrobbie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redrobbie Posted May 18, 2014 Report Share Posted May 18, 2014 (edited) Just had another look at the SNP bill again it appears the air gun certificate will be as strict as a section one certificate with variations etc.That will mean you will have to justify each air gun you wish to have.In affect this will mean at the very most you will be allowed one .22 air rifle and one .177 air rifle.If you own any more they will have to handed in for no compensation in affect confiscated . Of course honest law abiding people who break no laws will obey this and all the neds and criminals will completely ignore it. Edited May 18, 2014 by redrobbie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redrobbie Posted May 18, 2014 Report Share Posted May 18, 2014 (edited) Just read that the most recent independence poll has it on a knife edge at roughly 50% v 50% the votes of say 100,000 disgruntled air gun owners could well swing it. http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/scottish-independence-poll-51-planning-no-vote-1-3396028 Edited May 18, 2014 by redrobbie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redrobbie Posted May 19, 2014 Report Share Posted May 19, 2014 Interesting article from the Scotsman .http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/hundreds-of-police-carry-weapons-in-scotland-1-3414993 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redrobbie Posted May 19, 2014 Report Share Posted May 19, 2014 a little extreme there. were the owners of hand guns/multiload shot guns and assault weapons paid there value. this will be strange imagine a guy hunting legally in england accidentally crosses the boarder does that then make him a criminal. unless its a uk wide law then it has the potential to make lawful use a crime by just walking a few feet. there are 213000 registered fire arms in scotland and say 500000 air weapons. its a wonder that there is so little crime. however below is the image of the reason for the new law.http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/74865000/jpg/_74865421_andrewmortonpa.jpghttp://www.thefreelibrary.com/Evil+child+killer+Bonini+faces+justice+at+last+...but+it+comes+too...-a0135263384 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redrobbie Posted May 19, 2014 Report Share Posted May 19, 2014 (edited) Bonini gets a mention towards the end of this article.http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/exclusive-jailbird-uses-slopping-out-997481 and here. http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-186872321.html Edited May 19, 2014 by redrobbie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redrobbie Posted May 19, 2014 Report Share Posted May 19, 2014 I came across this on youtube .http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01g62uawa7c Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redrobbie Posted May 20, 2014 Report Share Posted May 20, 2014 Some advice and information to air gun owners from BASC about the SNP plan. http://basc.org.uk/basc-scotland/airgun-licensing-in-scotland-frequently-asked-questions/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian.smith Posted May 20, 2014 Report Share Posted May 20, 2014 Some advice and information to air gun owners from BASC about the SNP plan. http://basc.org.uk/basc-scotland/airgun-licensing-in-scotland-frequently-asked-questions/Interesting all really seems a bit stupid as laws already cover misuse of any weapon redrobbie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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