Frances144 Posted February 7, 2013 Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 Speccy, I agree! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Para Handy Posted February 7, 2013 Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 What is all the fuss about Marriage? After all it was just a way for the Church to exploit the peasants. Hundreds of years ago! And still do. Seems to me if the Church and the Tory’s want it that bad it’s got to be bad for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unlinkedstudent Posted February 7, 2013 Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 What is all the fuss about Marriage? After all it was just a way for the Church to exploit the peasants. Hundreds of years ago! And still do. Seems to me if the Church and the Tory’s want it that bad it’s got to be bad for you. Ah, I so KNEW there was a reason why priests didn't marry! Doh! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unlinkedstudent Posted February 7, 2013 Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 Shetlink double posting again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackball Posted February 9, 2013 Report Share Posted February 9, 2013 What a lot of bile written on here. If you dont agree with the OP's views thats fair enough but never has their values been forced down your throat as you all seem to think. Everyone is free to ask the opinions (especially MP's) of others and state what they believe. If you wish to show your "intese dislike" (seems like you have some hatred too) then go ahead but the only thing you're doing is inciting more hatred and widening the gap. And AT as much as you don't like it. Literally millions(including a lot of our MP's (people voted for) in the UK share these same neanderthal views. If you don't like something it doesn't mean you cant be respectful. You do realise,i could equally threaten Alistair Carmichael with the complete inverse of your letter (pun intended...and no threat intended!!)since my views are the exact opposite of yours...so what's an MP to do?...vote according his conscience i guess! The OP made no threat whatsoever. They had what they thought were reasonable questions and had every right to ask. If you don't like it. Boo Hoo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papastour Posted February 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2013 How far will the Law keep compromising and changing? How much do we have to compromise to be PC to save your career? Certain faiths allow men to be married to 4 women at the same time, with our dual court system already in place, are we going to get other faiths demanding the right that a man can demand to be married to 4 other men? I know female atheists that say it is not right for men to marry men I know of ex gays that have had a change of heart and found faith in a loving saviour and found a female partner and had children of their own in that marriage. I do not believe David Cameron PM when he says people working in their professions will not be forced against own will to compromise or be sacked, European Union is already pushing these Laws through, PM is towing the EU line. I do not think it is right that say a teacher for example on Papa Stour is allowed to teach Gay Marriage is OK Good even. Just supposing all the kids accepted the teachers words and just decided to have relationships with male and males, females with females This does not encourage future generations, we just end up after a while with an Island full of ?? You tell me? And if that teacher did not tow the line then they could be sacked. Is this progress? Is this evolution? I think the human body/mind/brain/spirit is much more amazing than to end up marrying its own gender I think the Prime Minister is a light weight .and anyone who follows his delusion cant be that intelligent for following this madness. This new law trying to get through does not make this Kingdom Great. We are making this Kingdom a joke. What happens when we get a future King who wants to marry a man? Or a future Queen wants to marry a woman? Is this going to put the Great back into Great Britain? or are we all going to end up in Little Britain? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
righter Posted February 9, 2013 Report Share Posted February 9, 2013 well i thought the op was quite threatening....what with the numbered points...and words in capitals (usually used to indicate strength of feeling or shouting)i have no hatred,except for inequality,and injustice. the opinion is not forced down my throat...but the OP started a topic thread on it in a public space,one assumes they did not expect replies from only people that agreed with them? or why enter into discussion on a forum,one could merely talk with ones peer group,that you choose and tend to have similar opinions. whilst I may tolerate that someone has a different opinion to me,I do not have to treat that position with respect,but i should respect that we can discuss this issue without recourse to insults. perhaps my sarcasm went too far. Equally,I have the opposite opinion to the OP ..if they don`t like it..boo hoo. I do not see this as an issue of being PC..but of equality and justice. Pappastour is correct,there are as many opinions/stances as there are people. As i am personally, anti-monarchy (that equality and justice thing again!) i could not care less if a future king wants to marry a man..in fact pretty pro if it means the end of succession..thus end of monarchy. finally...do you seriously think,gay people cannot have children??...because I have news for you...and many examples I can give you, and who gave birth to gay individuals...yes mainly heterosexuals that's who...so hows that working for you?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuckleJoannie Posted February 9, 2013 Report Share Posted February 9, 2013 I know of ex gays that have had a change of heart and found faith in a loving saviour and found a female partner and had children of their own in that marriage. And many gays have married, had kids and lived lives of misery because predjudice has stopped them living the live that gives them fulfilment, ministers of the kirk included. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urabug Posted February 9, 2013 Report Share Posted February 9, 2013 Marriage is for man & woman. With the idiots we have trying to rule this country now --God help us. Seems we now have a "Gay Mafia" dictating & we must do what they want or face legal action ---human rights ect! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulb Posted February 9, 2013 Report Share Posted February 9, 2013 I have a faith. I also have gay friends and a nephew. and to be honest if you are a practising Christian and have so much anger/loathing then thats not from my god. When the saviour of the world was amongst us he did not spout anger or hatred. he loved both the good and the sinner. he also talked about the mote in another's eye and the beam in yours. remove the beam first and then sort the mote. If a man/woman finds love im happy for them if that is within either a straight or homosexual relationship then im happy. there is enough anger and hurt in the world why add to it. I would prefer the teachers to have enough sense to recognise the needs of the children in their care. to be frank what the heck does it have to do with us if a couple want to be wed let them. i was wondering why you brought Islam into this. If the parties to their marriage/s do so willingly then again whats it got to do with us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArabiaTerra Posted February 10, 2013 Report Share Posted February 10, 2013 What a lot of bile written on here. If you dont agree with the OP's views thats fair enough but never has their values been forced down your throat as you all seem to think. Everyone is free to ask the opinions (especially MP's) of others and state what they believe. Lobbying your MP in an attempt to persuade him to vote against allowing equal rights for a historically persecuted minority is attempting to force your views on others. If you wish to show your "intese dislike" (seems like you have some hatred too) then go ahead but the only thing you're doing is inciting more hatred and widening the gap. And AT as much as you don't like it. Literally millions(including a lot of our MP's (people voted for) in the UK share these same neanderthal views. If you don't like something it doesn't mean you cant be respectful. That's a logical fallacy: Argumentum ad populum. Just because millions of people hold a view doesn't make that view correct, or worthy of respect. How far will the Law keep compromising and changing? How much do we have to compromise to be PC to save your career? It's not about "being PC", it's about granting equal rights to everyone. Nobody is forcing you to be gay, papastour, but why should you demand the right to discriminate against others? Certain faiths allow men to be married to 4 women at the same time, with our dual court system already in place, are we going to get other faiths demanding the right that a man can demand to be married to 4 other men? Provided all parties consent to the arrangement, then why not? What gives you the right to dictate how others choose to live their lives? It's none of your business. I know female atheists that say it is not right for men to marry men And I know a Church of England minister who fully supports this move to end discrimination. So what? I know of ex gays that have had a change of heart and found faith in a loving saviour and found a female partner and had children of their own in that marriage. Good for them, I hope they're happy and wish them all the best in their lives. I do not believe David Cameron PM when he says people working in their professions will not be forced against own will to compromise or be sacked, European Union is already pushing these Laws through, PM is towing the EU line. Why should your religious views give you the lee-way to discriminate against others? If it's that important to you, then find another job. I do not think it is right that say a teacher for example on Papa Stour is allowed to teach Gay Marriage is OK Good even. Just supposing all the kids accepted the teachers words and just decided to have relationships with male and males, females with females This does not encourage future generations, we just end up after a while with an Island full of ?? You tell me? And if that teacher did not tow the line then they could be sacked. Is this progress? Is this evolution? And here we get to the crux of the matter. People do not choose to be gay. Individual sexuality crosses a whole spectrum from 100% straight, through bi-sexual to 100% gay. But wherever on the spectrum you happen to be, it's not something you choose. Why would any sane person choose a sexuality which, in some societies, will lead to either a lifetime of hiding who you are, or a lifetime of self-loathing and persecution with the risk of death or imprisonment if you act on your natural feelings? Yet, in all societies, no matter how repressive there continues to be gay people. Because it is not a choice.I think the human body/mind/brain/spirit is much more amazing than to end up marrying its own gender And I think the human body/mind/brain/spirit (no such thing) is much more amazing than to shackle itself with the twisted, evil, deranged, antiquated drivel in the Wholly Babble, a collection of middle eastern fairy tales, Jewish tribal history and the drug induced eschatological ramblings of a few desert madmen thousands of years ago. I think the Prime Minister is a light weight, Well at least we can agree on something. ...and anyone who follows his delusion cant be that intelligent for following this madness. It's not his intelligence that's being questioned here. It's his empathy, compassion and respect for human dignity. All things that you Xtians are supposed to excel at. Except your racist, bigoted, homophobic holy book short-circuits your natural human decency and requires you to hate anyone and anything which dares to be different. This is the first and so far, only, decent thing this government and Prime Minister have done while in power, and I salute them for it. It doesn't stop me opposing every other thing they've done while in power, but kudos to them for this. This new law trying to get through does not make this Kingdom Great. We are making this Kingdom a joke. "Great" Britain? Seriously? Now you've got me laughing. This country hasn't been great since 1945. It is nice, though, to see us moving a little bit closer to Civilised. What happens when we get a future King who wants to marry a man? Or a future Queen wants to marry a woman? Who cares, it's none of our business. That's the whole point. Is this going to put the Great back into Great Britain? It's a start. ... or are we all going to end up in Little Britain? Newsflash: We're already there! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zebedee Posted February 10, 2013 Report Share Posted February 10, 2013 Of course the op's letter was threatening - '1. I WILL remember if you vote for this Bill. 2. I WILL hold you to account for it. 3. I WILL tell all my friends and family and to all the public in Shetland Islands your views and how you acted. ' The only problem is that it's not much of a threat. In my circle the majority of people are not bigots, and support equality in marriage. I think the number of people that think like the op are rightly reducing in number.I'm sure everyone would agree that slavery is an abomination, but the fight for it to be abolished was tough and the result was far from a foregone conclusion 100 years ago some people were against votes for women. In 100 years from now the fact that this was such a contentious issue will be looked at in a similar way, I'm sure. Well done Mr Carmichael for making the right choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMe Posted February 10, 2013 Report Share Posted February 10, 2013 Papastour, when did you write to our MP?. Reading again your original posting I see you pose a number of questions which may well require a considered answer rather than some quick meaningless reply from an aide. But I still say that it is quite possible that, as a government whip, Alastair felt obliged to follow the government lead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shoogler Posted February 10, 2013 Report Share Posted February 10, 2013 ^^^Read Carmichael's piece in the Shetland Times on Friday - he makes it very clear he voted for the Bill as he believes in it, not because he is the whip. No difficulty with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorrie Posted February 10, 2013 Report Share Posted February 10, 2013 ...... Just supposing all the kids accepted the teachers words and just decided to have relationships with male and males, females with females ......... "Just decided to have relationships" I don't know whether to laugh or cry....... Perhaps a 'Gay rehabilitation' centre could be set up on Papa Stour to 'cure' gay fowk...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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