paulb Posted February 12, 2013 Report Share Posted February 12, 2013 It will undermine marriage Evidence shows that redefining marriage actually undermines support for marriage in wider society. Neither has it delivered the promised stability for same-sex couples. In Spain, after gay marriage was introduced, marriage rates across the whole population plummeted.1 In the Netherlands too there has been a significant fall in the marriage rate since marriage was redefined.2 Same-sex marriage does not promote marriage what utter rubbish.gay marriage does not undermine standard marriage. there is no reason for a truly committed couple not to marry. trying to blame the fall in the marriage rate on gays desiring to be bound as a couple is nonsense. gays getting married does not suddenly does not reduce the rate of marriage what does is the lack of a desire from the unwed hetros. hence there should be the same rights as the gays ie civil partners. harking back to when couples were forced to wed will not happen. being into family history i know the number of relationships that failed. a lot less than now but then they died younger and whats to say an unhappy wed couple is better than a single couple or even a gay couple. SHOULD WE STILL BAN WOMEN FOR BEING UNCLEAN DURING THEIR PERIOD. or i like this oneDeuteronomy 21:18 If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: Deuteronomy 21:19 Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; Deuteronomy 21:20 And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. Deuteronomy 21:21 And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMe Posted February 12, 2013 Report Share Posted February 12, 2013 Well you could always listen to this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papastour Posted February 12, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2013 Same-sex couples already have equality.All the legal rights of marriage are alreadyavailable to same-sex couples throughcivil partnerships. Equality doesn’tmean bland uniformity or state-imposedsameness. If the Government genuinelywants to pursue equality, why is it banningheterosexual couples from entering a civilpartnership? Same-sex couples have equalrights through civil partnerships, but theydon’t have the right to redefine marriagefor everyone else. At some stage perhaps ater all the debating and info we should put up a question with a voting poll on Shetlink if the Gov is right to change the definition of marriage? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatal Paper Cut Posted February 12, 2013 Report Share Posted February 12, 2013 I am not angered by his vote, I keep no record of his vote as I know MPs change their minds like the Shetland Wind. Really? Because that's definitely not what you said. Let me be clear 1. I WILL remember if you vote for this Bill. 2. I WILL hold you to account for it. 3. I WILL tell all my friends and family and to all the public in Shetland Islands your views and how you acted. Good thing about being in Papa Stour is you have time and space to be FREE THINKING!! No, the good thing about you being in Papa Stour is that it means you can't mix amongst the wider public and spread your woefully ignorant bile everywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papastour Posted February 12, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2013 The public don’t want itSeven in ten people want to keepmarriage as it is.Other polling whichpurports to show public support for gaymarriage fails to tell respondents thatequal rights are already available throughcivil partnerships. When people are toldthis crucial fact, most people say keepmarriage as it is. MPs say their postbagshave been dominated by public oppositionto redefining marriage.Ordinary peoplewant the Government to concentrateon reviving the economy and providingbetter public services, not meddling withmarriage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medziotojas Posted February 12, 2013 Report Share Posted February 12, 2013 ^Citation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papastour Posted February 12, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2013 Yes citation from previous site http://c4m.org.uk/resources/ 10 reasons Why London Gov is wrong to try and change the definition of marriage. Just giving one reason at a time. Sorry should have given reference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zebedee Posted February 12, 2013 Report Share Posted February 12, 2013 http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/gay-marriage-public-say-church-is-wrong-8431263.html This poll suggests that twice as many are for gay marriage than are against it http://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/eiy9720btf/YG-Archives-Pol-ST-results-11-130512.pdf This yougov poll suggests a majority - 51% - in favour of gay marriage http://www.populus.co.uk/uploads/OmGay_Rights.pdf This poll found 65% in favour of gay marriage, 27% against. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distortio Posted February 12, 2013 Report Share Posted February 12, 2013 I am more interested in the truth,the facts, the real facts...no. no you are not. quite aside from the inaccuracies and glaring contradictions in your posts, it is clear from the formatting, phrasing and grammar that you are just copying and pasting christian propaganda. a quick google of some of the phrases confirms this. fascinating insight into your idea of FREE THINKING though. presumably you meant 'free' as in 'unencumbered by'... any gay people thinking of getting married soon? as will be your legal right, why not go somewhere lovely like papa stour for your big day? make it FABULOUS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papastour Posted February 12, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2013 By a margin of 2-1, people oppose the Government's proposal to make it illegal for the Church of England to conduct gay marriages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zebedee Posted February 12, 2013 Report Share Posted February 12, 2013 Exactly papastour, they oppose a proposition to make it illegal - therefore they support it being legal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgonzola Butt-cheese Posted February 12, 2013 Report Share Posted February 12, 2013 Some poor bloke who was nailed to a stick 2000 years ago is sitting next to God waiting to come back to earth and judge every single human who ever lived or died.It is sheer lunacy, there is no way to modernise such obvious nonsense except to drop it all and admit that it is a lot of made up drivel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
righter Posted February 12, 2013 Report Share Posted February 12, 2013 how does gay marriage undermine hetro marriage? no seriously,i don`t get it.When women got the vote,did that stop men voting...the ones that were anti womens voting? looking at records from the 1950`s onwards,there were 165,018 divorces in 1993 (no gay marriage,no civil partnerships) what was undermining marriage then? 1993 was a peak year. Where do you get the idea that same sex marriage should "promote " marriage?it is a move to provide equality,it does not seek to bolster,promote or support marriage in a general sense at all. Its likely that less and less people choose not to marry for many reasons,economic,political,philosophical etc we do not live in a world where marriage is an essential. I`m sorry,but cut and paste jobs from christian sites is not going to impress many of us.The fact is, thank the universe! gradually over time,human rights get extended more and more. If in fact there was a general consensus against gay rights,there would not be any....and we would still have slaves!People develop ideas all the time over what is right or wrong,if they didn`t my life as a women,or a non land owner for instance, would be completely different to what it is now. As for your neighbour thing,try to imagine that not everyone thinks like you,has the same beliefs,or wants to do things the way they have "always been done on the island"..things change,you may need to too. its easy to get on with people you like,have things in common with,surely the true mark of a person is helping someone you don`t! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infiltrator Posted February 12, 2013 Report Share Posted February 12, 2013 By a margin of 2-1, people oppose the Government's proposal to make it illegal for the Church of England to conduct gay marriages. 'people'? I must have missed this referendum, or was this a local poll on the Big Isle? For someone who promotes free thinking, you do seem to spend a lot of time being led by modern media and religous fables. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papastour Posted February 13, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2013 Thanks to everyone for passing on your views. This has helped continue to let as many people in Shetland know what Alistair Carmichael MP voted on the subject of redefining marriage. Plus as a added bonus you have helped remind me why Papa Stour is one of the best places for me to live. Shall we have a mini vote of our own on Shetlink. Is the UK Gov wrong to redefine marriage? Did our MP ask for the people of Shetlands views on redefining marriage at the last election? Or shall we leave all the opinions and real voting to Alistair Carmichael MP? Let him think for us!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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