ArabiaTerra Posted May 17, 2013 Report Share Posted May 17, 2013 go.oot.by.dog - I think I may start posting some Tory links to offset the total crap that you are posting here. Please do. It's always better to get both sides. (Though, personally, I doubt you will find anything convincing from the lying liars who lie outside of the Daily Fail, Torygraph or The Stun.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shetlandpeat Posted May 17, 2013 Report Share Posted May 17, 2013 go.oot.by.dog - I think I may start posting some Tory links to offset the total crap that you are posting here. Looking forward to that,,,, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostrider Posted May 17, 2013 Report Share Posted May 17, 2013 If the Poll Tax was accepted as fair, why was it dropped? If we'd kept the Poll Tax, there would be no bedroom tax to fight over right now. It is only the existence of local taxation being charged on property rather than per adult that allows the bedroom tax to exist. I wouldn't know whether the Poll Tax was "accepted as fair", or not. I never said I accepted it as fair, I said believed the principle of charging local taxation on the individual rather than on property was a far fairer concept. Property has no bearing on the burden placed on local public services, people by their existence and behaviours do almost to the exclusion of most other factors. The Poll Tax may have tried to put the concept in to practice, but many faults were incorporated in to the attempt making it much less fair than it could or should have been. Perhaps had it been allowed to run a little longer and both sides co-operated in an attempt to revise it, instead of two deranged entrenched opposing camps baying at each other, some good may have come of it. But thats folk for ya.... Instead we got the old Rates back with a few minor tweaks, which were mostly removing the few more sensible practices their former self had contained, and we are where we are. You makes your bed.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Posted May 17, 2013 Report Share Posted May 17, 2013 If we'd kept the Poll Tax, there would be no bedroom tax to fight over right now. Debatable point (I think) as Poll Tax payers would have been in receipt of similar 'easings' of the burden as current Council Tax payers are if they are on benefits.This government seems determined to 'punish' anyone on any kind of benefit and, regardless of personal circumstances, would have found another way of reducing the amount they pay out.It's just the old 'Rich commit the crimes, poor take the blame' scenario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
go.oot.by.dog Posted May 17, 2013 Report Share Posted May 17, 2013 go.oot.by.dog - I think I may start posting some Tory links to offset the total crap that you are posting here. Ah Davy my coffin dodging English Tory stalker i was starting to worry that you had kicked the bucket and i was just about to check the obituaries in the Shetland Times. That is our local newspaper just in case you were unsure. I know you Tories have different morals from a lot of us but i do find it rather sad that you would feel the need to lable a clip as "rubbish" where they are asking questions like "How many more people have to commit suicide before a policy is stopped?" and "About a family with disabled members who are going to be made homeless" but each to their own and we are all entitled to our own opinions, after all i would imagine you would see these people as "scroungers" and "skivers" and nothing more than a drain on society. You go ahead and post whatever you want old chap as it is a public forum and that is what it is for. All though one really does have frightfully appalling manners for a Toff and one should really work on ones manners as it is not very polite to be constantly calling one names and constantly slating ones posts. Just out of curiosity Mr Hyams do you sleep with one eye open or do you take a chance and close them both? Then it is like a surprise when you waken up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
go.oot.by.dog Posted May 17, 2013 Report Share Posted May 17, 2013 SNP MSPs shout down senior Whitehall officials over 'Bedroom Tax' http://news.stv.tv/politics/225343-snp-msps-shout-down-senior-whitehall-officials-over-bedroom-tax/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostrider Posted May 17, 2013 Report Share Posted May 17, 2013 If we'd kept the Poll Tax, there would be no bedroom tax to fight over right now. Debatable point (I think) as Poll Tax payers would have been in receipt of similar 'easings' of the burden as current Council Tax payers are if they are on benefits.This government seems determined to 'punish' anyone on any kind of benefit and, regardless of personal circumstances, would have found another way of reducing the amount they pay out.It's just the old 'Rich commit the crimes, poor take the blame' scenario. I don't doubt it, but my point was that were local taxation based on a formula other than property/accomodation (as the Poll tax was by being a charge on the person), where and in what a person resided (whether they had any real choice or not) would have far less chance of having a deciding factor in who did or didn't bear the brunt of the benefit cuts. The greatest objection I have to the way the bedroom tax appears to be going to be implemented is that it is a rather sick lottery. While I am happy to see the taxpayers burden being reduced insofar as costs they have been expected to cover thus far for housing bigger than a person's real needs are being cut, ultimately penalising only those who find themselves in a situation that cannot be got out of is simply vindictive. Exchange the property/accomodation deciding factor from the equation, which is plainly randomly discriminatory in the current housing situation, for an alternative and on the balance of probability it will be something that is fairer across the board to all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulb Posted May 17, 2013 Report Share Posted May 17, 2013 to be honest a local income tax is farer. then if your property rich but poor you get to pay the right amount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Posted May 17, 2013 Report Share Posted May 17, 2013 I don't doubt it, but my point was that were local taxation based on a formula other than property/accomodation (as the Poll tax was by being a charge on the person), where and in what a person resided (whether they had any real choice or not) would have far less chance of having a deciding factor in who did or didn't bear the brunt of the benefit cuts. Agreed but, 0 income = 0 taxation and whilst we are not talking about taxation as such, we are talking about benefit cuts and the indiscriminate way in which they are being applied.Forcing people to leave their homes because the rent is not going to be paid is bad enough as it is but, forcing them to put up with the cuts when there are no available 'downsize' options is appalling and really goes against the grain.The main reason the the government have introduced this appalling bit of legislation is to cut it's benefits bill. Other reasons include not wanting to win the next election. The usual Tory rant that all benefit seekers/recipients are scroungers just doesn't wash anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArabiaTerra Posted May 17, 2013 Report Share Posted May 17, 2013 If we'd kept the Poll Tax, there would be no bedroom tax to fight over right now. Debatable point (I think) as Poll Tax payers would have been in receipt of similar 'easings' of the burden as current Council Tax payers are if they are on benefits.This government seems determined to 'punish' anyone on any kind of benefit and, regardless of personal circumstances, would have found another way of reducing the amount they pay out.It's just the old 'Rich commit the crimes, poor take the blame' scenario. Nationalise the costs, privatise the profit. That's the tory way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
go.oot.by.dog Posted May 18, 2013 Report Share Posted May 18, 2013 Bedroom Tax Sees Thousands More Claiming Council Funds: Is Spare Room Subsidy Costing Country MORE?http://i1359.photobucket.com/albums/q799/magnacube/8b9c10f3-16bb-4439-ab2c-0cac9ee339f7_zps74e16eea.jpg The introduction of bedroom tax has seen the number of people claiming extra handouts from councils to meet housing costs soar, figures have revealed. More than 25,000 people applied for discretionary housing payments (DHP) to help cover their rent in April, compared with 5,700 in the same month last year, according to an analysis of 51 councils by The Independent. Full story here - http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/05/18/bedroom-tax-council-funds-homelessness-_n_3296933.html?icid=maing-grid7%7Cukt3%7Cdl1%7Csec3_lnk3%26pLid%3D180405 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mattie Posted June 7, 2013 Report Share Posted June 7, 2013 go.oot.by.dog - I think I may start posting some Tory links to offset the total crap that you are posting here.Hardly crap Davey.It's reality sadly.Spew as much Tory crap as you will.Go-oot by -dogIs getting the point out there about the bedroom tax.Brilliant.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArabiaTerra Posted June 8, 2013 Report Share Posted June 8, 2013 go.oot.by.dog - I think I may start posting some Tory links to offset the total crap that you are posting here. Well? We're all still waiting... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shetlandpeat Posted June 9, 2013 Report Share Posted June 9, 2013 go.oot.by.dog - I think I may start posting some Tory links to offset the total crap that you are posting here. C'mon then. Show us the posts where folk are not having to go without when they are in need. Seems perhaps thinking also hurts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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